Yes.
35 Covid "related" or "linked" or likely.
In a state where nearly 50,000 persons die every year.
Very scary
Yes.
35 Covid "related" or "linked" or likely.
In a state where nearly 50,000 persons die every year.
Very scary
Giles Corey wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
[quote]Giles Corey wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C95ECjxgcJE&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR34nUy-Yo5F5UxdqsU4JxtZFpcoky1lZ6_lzjrjvyFZm61xDZjdFhGUaCkHow did he know there will be a surprise outbreak during the next administration? He could say sometime in the future. But no, something the next admin will have to deal with. I.e., within four years.
That would be because every administration has to deal with preparedness for epidemics. As Fauci said, history shows us that these things happen with relative frequency. The Obama administration had to deal with MERS, H1N1, and Ebola.
It wasn't a great leap of logic to predict that the next administration would need to deal infectious disease outbreaks as well.
Sure it is. This is allegedly the worst thing since the Spanish Flu 100 years ago. The "epidemics" you cite as having to be dealt with by the Obama admin....any lockdowns required? Mask wearing for everyone? Of course not.
None is so blind as he who will not see. You are in denial
Fauci said nothing about how bad an epidemic would be. He only said that the administration would need to be ready to deal with whatever happened.
You conspiracy buffs are a funny lot.
WWRD wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Your "solution" is exactly what we are doing. But "ignore it and hope it's OK" is not a real solution.
The problem with this approach is that we have the worst of both worlds. We get a terrible economy as long as the virus is allowed to rage out of control. Even if hospitals are not overflowing, that's still a lot of suffering and a lot of exhausted nurses and doctors. And even if we hover along at "only" 500 deaths per day for the rest of 2020, we still get over 200,000 Americans who will die needlessly this year.
And look what will happen to our schools. Most will try to open in the fall, but go ask what their plan is for when a student tests positive. How many days will you have to close the school? How many of our teachers are going to be afraid to come back to the classroom? What about older teachers? And that's just scratching the surface of questions they don't know how to answer.
The way to get through this is to take the problem head on like some other nations have done.
1) Shut it down
2) Stop the spread
3) Test and trace
The nations who have done that are already out of lockdown, have a tiny number of cases, and an economy that is basically back to normal.
But America's only hope is a miracle, a vaccine, or an effective treatment. And as you said, there is no guarantee when that will come.
How do you put two things in quotes, neither of which I said? You don't get to make up what the other person said, then argue against it. I didn't say anything was a solution, just a potential path forward, that many agree with. And I didn't say "hope for the best", I said we monitor hospital capacity and death rates to help guide us. Two verifiable data points, not "ignore it and hope it's ok".
I characterized your argument with quotes. It's a perfectly valid stylistic technique reflecting my impressions of what you said.
"Let everyone die" would also be a path forward.
I prefer solutions to a mere "path forward". If you don't prefer a solution then I guess that is your prerogative.
Giles Corey wrote:
Yes.
35 Covid "related" or "linked" or likely.
In a state where nearly 50,000 persons die every year.
Very scary
That would be 35 (or 25, or whatever) PER DAY. Nice job comparing a per-day stat with a full-year stat--and conveniently not mentioning the per-day part, so it looks like a straight comparison of 35 with 50,000. That would come under the heading of being "deliberately misleading"--you know, LYING.
By the way, 35 a day over the course of a full year means a total approaching 13,000. That looks a little more significant when compared with "nearly 50,000" doesn't it?
But I know, I know: They were mostly old or fat or diabetic or otherwise icky, so it's not like they were, you know, *real* humans. So, really, what does it matter if they died a year, or five, or ten or twenty before they might have otherwise? I mean, *you're* doing okay amirite?
YMMV wrote:
OMG 35 deaths/day now! Be FEARful. FULL of fear! Lockdown everything no and until the fear is instilled in everyone forever!
So that's 12,775 needless deaths per year in Georgia.
How many extra deaths does it take until it's not OK anymore? 50,000? 100,000? 1 million?
Fat hurts wrote:
YMMV wrote:
OMG 35 deaths/day now! Be FEARful. FULL of fear! Lockdown everything no and until the fear is instilled in everyone forever!
So that's 12,775 needless deaths per year in Georgia.
How many extra deaths does it take until it's not OK anymore? 50,000? 100,000? 1 million?
No.
It is 35 deaths minus several that would have died anywhere.
7 million kids per year die of starvation in the world every year...many due to US sanctions.
Where is the 24/7 coverage of that?
iet6 wrote:
Giles Corey wrote:
Yes.
35 Covid "related" or "linked" or likely.
In a state where nearly 50,000 persons die every year.
Very scary
That would be 35 (or 25, or whatever) PER DAY. Nice job comparing a per-day stat with a full-year stat--and conveniently not mentioning the per-day part, so it looks like a straight comparison of 35 with 50,000. That would come under the heading of being "deliberately misleading"--you know, LYING.
By the way, 35 a day over the course of a full year means a total approaching 13,000. That looks a little more significant when compared with "nearly 50,000" doesn't it?
But I know, I know: They were mostly old or fat or diabetic or otherwise icky, so it's not like they were, you know, *real* humans. So, really, what does it matter if they died a year, or five, or ten or twenty before they might have otherwise? I mean, *you're* doing okay amirite?
35 people in one day is just that. 35 people. In all likelihood, most of whom would have died very soon anyway as 94% of Covid deaths have at least two life threatening conditions. And with a median age of 80 plus. IF 35 people were to die every day for a year -- which has NOT happened -- this would add up to a 12,775 deaths.
For the love of God, if you are 90 years old and suffering from two or more life threatening conditions, how long do you think you are going to live? Hell, do you want to hang on?
Don't give me this holier than thou BS.
This lockdown has put tens of millions of people out of work, caused God knows how many deaths of young people with lots of life ahead via drug and alcohol abuse and suicide. Has caused massive depression and anxiety. And soon tens of millions of people will lose their homes.
This lockdown is pure evil. The people behind it don't give a crap about these old sick folks dying a little early. They passed laws to protect the nursing home owners from being sued over this and then jammed a bunch of covid patients into them.
How many times does the establishment have to use fear mongering to push lies and agendas before you see what they doing?
Fat hurts wrote:
Giles Corey wrote:
That would be because every administration has to deal with preparedness for epidemics. As Fauci said, history shows us that these things happen with relative frequency. The Obama administration had to deal with MERS, H1N1, and Ebola.
It wasn't a great leap of logic to predict that the next administration would need to deal infectious disease outbreaks as well.
Sure it is. This is allegedly the worst thing since the Spanish Flu 100 years ago. The "epidemics" you cite as having to be dealt with by the Obama admin....any lockdowns required? Mask wearing for everyone? Of course not.
None is so blind as he who will not see. You are in denial
Fauci said nothing about how bad an epidemic would be. He only said that the administration would need to be ready to deal with whatever happened.
You conspiracy buffs are a funny lot.
Why don't you show us where he warned the five previous admins he worked for than an epidemic was coming?
God you are in denial
Corona is subsiding, but it is never too late for MORE FEAR!
The Nazis also favored active euthanasia on grounds that the people in question were old or sick.
In fact, average life expectancy for those who died of COVID-19 had been between eleven and thirteen years.
Also, the fact that it appears that many asymptomatic cases don't still have antibodies after a short time, or maybe didn't get any, doesn't mean that they can necessarily get it again, because there is also t-cell immunity, which works without antibodies. Antibodies are proteins produced by B cells, while t cells also fight viruses, and most of the people in the studies linked, who had mild cases of coronavirus, showed t cell immunity, which can over the long term bring immunity to the virus. About 1/3 to 40% of those in another study who had not had COVID-19 had some t cell response to COVID-19, indicative of exposure to similar coronaviruses, namely, the four types that cause colds, but there wasn't any evidence that it was strong enough to either fight over SARS-COv-2 or lessen its severity.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/t-cells-found-covid-19-patients-bode-well-long-term-immunity
Giles Corey wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
So that's 12,775 needless deaths per year in Georgia.
How many extra deaths does it take until it's not OK anymore? 50,000? 100,000? 1 million?
No.
It is 35 deaths minus several that would have died anywhere.
7 million kids per year die of starvation in the world every year...many due to US sanctions.
Where is the 24/7 coverage of that?
Very few of those would have died anyway in a given year.
And you didn't answer my question.
How many extra deaths does it take until it's not OK anymore? 50,000? 100,000? 1 million?
Giles Corey wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Fauci said nothing about how bad an epidemic would be. He only said that the administration would need to be ready to deal with whatever happened.
You conspiracy buffs are a funny lot.
Why don't you show us where he warned the five previous admins he worked for than an epidemic was coming?
God you are in denial
It's literally been his job to warn the administrations. He has also testified to congress several times over the years. It's what he does. It's not a conspiracy.
Here is a 2005 interview where Fauci was warning us all about preparedness and how another 1918 scenario could happen. Start around 11:25.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP001Dum-Pszxczxcv wrote:
The Nazis also favored active euthanasia on grounds that the people in question were old or sick.
In fact, average life expectancy for those who died of COVID-19 had been between eleven and thirteen years.
Median age is 80 with 94% with at least two life threatening conditions.
Life expectancy of 11 to 13 years?
More like 11 to 13 weeks.
Meanwhile tens of millions of people out of jobs, millions of small businesses are gone, alcohol and drug abuse is surging, soon tens of millions of folks will be homeless.
The Nazis would have to have lasted a lot more years to do anywhere near the damage that the USA has done since the 1980s
Fat hurts wrote:
Here is a 2005 interview where Fauci was warning us all about preparedness and how another 1918 scenario could happen. Start around 11:25.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP001Dum-Ps
yes.
He says one could happen.
Not one will happen during this administration.
That tells you nothing?
Meanwhile in Georiga, we had a huge record in daily new cases today.
It was 1800 cases. The previous record was 1598, which was way back on April 7th.
GA DPH did report a large number of tests today, but the positivity for today was 7.31%, which is in-line with what we've been seeing for the last several days.
Fat hurts wrote:
Giles Corey wrote:
[quote]Fat hurts wrote:
[quote]YMMV wrote:
OMG 35 deaths/day now! Be FEARful. FULL of fear! Lockdown everything no and until the fear is instilled in everyone forever!
Very few of those would have died anyway in a given year.
And you didn't answer my question.
How many extra deaths does it take until it's not OK anymore? 50,000? 100,000? 1 million?
Really. Very few 80 years olds with multiple health issues would have died in any given year? That's BS.
How many tens of millions of people have to lose their homes, their jobs, their lives for you to admit this lockdown is pure evil?
Giles Corey wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Here is a 2005 interview where Fauci was warning us all about preparedness and how another 1918 scenario could happen. Start around 11:25.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP001Dum-Psyes.
He says one could happen.
Not one will happen during this administration.
That tells you nothing?
It tells me he's doing his job like always.
Look, if you think it's a conspiracy then show some actual evidence. It takes a lot more than showing Dr. Fauci saying the same kind of stuff he always says.
Giles Corey wrote:
Yes.
35 Covid "related" or "linked" or likely.
In a state where nearly 50,000 persons die every year.
Very scary
120k dead nationwide in a few months ain't nothing.