OFFICIAL LRC President Donald Trump SECOND TERM Thread

agip wrote:

Yeah that nazi salute and support for hard right german political parties are probably nothing. Like saying immigrants poison our blood is probably nothing. Just like this is probably nothing. Nothing here, keep moving.

A key DOGE staff member who gained access to the Treasury Department’s central-payments system resigned Thursday after he was linked to a deleted social-media account that advocated racism and eugenics.

Marko Elez, a 25-year-old who is part of a cadre of Elon Musk lieutenants deployed by the Department of Government Efficiency to scrutinize federal spending, resigned after The Wall Street Journal asked the White House about his connection to the account.
“Just for the record, I was racist before it was cool,” the account posted in July, according to the Journal’s review of archived posts.

“You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity,” the account wrote on X in September. “Normalize Indian hate,” the account wrote the same month, in reference to a post noting the prevalence of people from India in Silicon Valley.

Link:www.wsj.com/tech/doge-staffer-resigns-...

Ivyguy wrote:

tex mex wrote:

All I see is Trumpers still raging about something.

Yes, it's hard to understand. Donald Trump won in November and is POTUS. I think everyone (okay, except maybe a few nutbags) accepts that. It's a given.

So what's the point of repeating it? Do people think that that somehow is a meaningful answer to a question or criticism? It's the baseline!

I mean, just imagine Dems saying something similar when people were criticizing what Biden was doing (and not doing): "Doesn't matter, Joe Biden won, he's your president, move on"--as though that would somehow excuse any of his shortcomings. Would any of us accept that? It's because he was president that he was being criticized!

Anyway, I find it puzzling. It's as though the people who are saying "move on" are themselves refusing (or unable) to get past November 5th.

[And yes, I can already picture the "witty" ripostes.]

Rasnip wrote:

Well, there's more history to kayfabe as it exists in wrestling (and it's somewhat relevant to your political analogy).

Originally, kayfabe was NOT a tacit agreement between all the various groups. It was originally kept jealously by the promoters and wrestlers. To the point where, if you were someone who wanted to be a pro wrestler, you'd get trained by some former wrestler, and they would use real ("shoot") wrestling moves to essentially torture that trainee. Sometimes to the point of breaking bones. Only when the trainee showed a willingness to tough it through this extended hazing would they start to be let in on kayfabe ("smartened up").

And they all kept it, because their livelihood depended on the audience believing that what they were seeing was essentially real.

Over time the grip on kayfabe began to degrade. There was a small but growing set of what the wrestlers called "smart" fans who knew the secret and loved wrestling anyway, focusing on more of a behind-the-scenes way of viewing the product. And that eventually turned into today's version of wrestling, where everyone but kids are in on the secret. Far, far fewer people actually watch wrestling these days (once upon a time it rivaled major professional sports in annual attendance nationwide), but those who do are willing to pay a lot more money.

Anyway, to bring it back to your analogy. Trump devotees are a mix of "smart" fans who see the value of riding the guy's coattails, and people who believe that most or all of what Trump says is real.

agip wrote:

Yeah that nazi salute and support for hard right german political parties are probably nothing. Like saying immigrants poison our blood is probably nothing. Just like this is probably nothing. Nothing here, keep moving.

A key DOGE staff member who gained access to the Treasury Department’s central-payments system resigned Thursday after he was linked to a deleted social-media account that advocated racism and eugenics.

Marko Elez, a 25-year-old who is part of a cadre of Elon Musk lieutenants deployed by the Department of Government Efficiency to scrutinize federal spending, resigned after The Wall Street Journal asked the White House about his connection to the account.
“Just for the record, I was racist before it was cool,” the account posted in July, according to the Journal’s review of archived posts.

“You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity,” the account wrote on X in September. “Normalize Indian hate,” the account wrote the same month, in reference to a post noting the prevalence of people from India in Silicon Valley.

Link:www.wsj.com/tech/doge-staffer-resigns-...

Oldrunningguy wrote:

Yesterday I had an epiphany.

I was introduced to the word Kay-fabe. It is a term originating with the WWF and it describes what goes on with everyone involved in the sport of pro wrestling. Essentially it is a “tactic agreement between all parties involved that what they are doing is totally fake but everyone agrees not to talk about that”. And everyone enjoys it. The wrestlers, the organizers and the audience. They escape into their make believe world and to outsiders it is very strange.

This term was used to explain what goes on with Trump, the people around Trump and his followers. When Trump is rambling his insanity whether it is cancer and windmills, condos in Gaza or solving war in one day with one phone call, everyone is engaging in Kayfabe. Nobody believes it but they are still enjoying it thoroughly. And when Trump lies more outlandishly the enjoyment increases. They love the fact that they are all in on it.

So, just like most people can’t understand why people are so into WWF, most people don’t understand Trumps Kayfabe. People, like myself can’t figure out how people can listen to Trump lie incessantly to their faces and be enjoying it.

This was a big eye opener for me. Think about Kayfabe as you read our most fervent Trumpers posts and their super hero memes of Trump. It will help it make sense more.

Rasnip wrote:

Oldrunningguy wrote:

Yesterday I had an epiphany.

I was introduced to the word Kay-fabe. It is a term originating with the WWF and it describes what goes on with everyone involved in the sport of pro wrestling. Essentially it is a “tactic agreement between all parties involved that what they are doing is totally fake but everyone agrees not to talk about that”. And everyone enjoys it. The wrestlers, the organizers and the audience. They escape into their make believe world and to outsiders it is very strange.

This term was used to explain what goes on with Trump, the people around Trump and his followers. When Trump is rambling his insanity whether it is cancer and windmills, condos in Gaza or solving war in one day with one phone call, everyone is engaging in Kayfabe. Nobody believes it but they are still enjoying it thoroughly. And when Trump lies more outlandishly the enjoyment increases. They love the fact that they are all in on it.

Well, there's more history to kayfabe as it exists in wrestling (and it's somewhat relevant to your political analogy).

Originally, kayfabe was NOT a tacit agreement between all the various groups. It was originally kept jealously by the promoters and wrestlers. To the point where, if you were someone who wanted to be a pro wrestler, you'd get trained by some former wrestler, and they would use real ("shoot") wrestling moves to essentially torture that trainee. Sometimes to the point of breaking bones. Only when the trainee showed a willingness to tough it through this extended hazing would they start to be let in on kayfabe ("smartened up").

And they all kept it, because their livelihood depended on the audience believing that what they were seeing was essentially real.

Over time the grip on kayfabe began to degrade. There was a small but growing set of what the wrestlers called "smart" fans who knew the secret and loved wrestling anyway, focusing on more of a behind-the-scenes way of viewing the product. And that eventually turned into today's version of wrestling, where everyone but kids are in on the secret. Far, far fewer people actually watch wrestling these days (once upon a time it rivaled major professional sports in annual attendance nationwide), but those who do are willing to pay a lot more money.

Anyway, to bring it back to your analogy. Trump devotees are a mix of "smart" fans who see the value of riding the guy's coattails, and people who believe that most or all of what Trump says is real.

Glass house wrote:

agip wrote:

Yeah that nazi salute and support for hard right german political parties are probably nothing. Like saying immigrants poison our blood is probably nothing. Just like this is probably nothing. Nothing here, keep moving.

A key DOGE staff member who gained access to the Treasury Department’s central-payments system resigned Thursday after he was linked to a deleted social-media account that advocated racism and eugenics.

Marko Elez, a 25-year-old who is part of a cadre of Elon Musk lieutenants deployed by the Department of Government Efficiency to scrutinize federal spending, resigned after The Wall Street Journal asked the White House about his connection to the account.
“Just for the record, I was racist before it was cool,” the account posted in July, according to the Journal’s review of archived posts.

“You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity,” the account wrote on X in September. “Normalize Indian hate,” the account wrote the same month, in reference to a post noting the prevalence of people from India in Silicon Valley.

Link:www.wsj.com/tech/doge-staffer-resigns-...

If you print / publish every young persons call of duty chat logs you’ll have a ton of insults / slurs.

Ivyguy wrote:

Oldrunningguy wrote:

Yesterday I had an epiphany.

I was introduced to the word Kay-fabe. It is a term originating with the WWF and it describes what goes on with everyone involved in the sport of pro wrestling. Essentially it is a “tactic agreement between all parties involved that what they are doing is totally fake but everyone agrees not to talk about that”. And everyone enjoys it. The wrestlers, the organizers and the audience. They escape into their make believe world and to outsiders it is very strange.

This term was used to explain what goes on with Trump, the people around Trump and his followers. When Trump is rambling his insanity whether it is cancer and windmills, condos in Gaza or solving war in one day with one phone call, everyone is engaging in Kayfabe. Nobody believes it but they are still enjoying it thoroughly. And when Trump lies more outlandishly the enjoyment increases. They love the fact that they are all in on it.

So, just like most people can’t understand why people are so into WWF, most people don’t understand Trumps Kayfabe. People, like myself can’t figure out how people can listen to Trump lie incessantly to their faces and be enjoying it.

This was a big eye opener for me. Think about Kayfabe as you read our most fervent Trumpers posts and their super hero memes of Trump. It will help it make sense more.

Insightful, and thanks. I had never heard of kayfabe outside of pro wrestling, but it makes a lot of sense here.

When President Trump's transition team was asking "Who won in 2020?" of potential employees, they weren't actually asking for the facts of the matter--even President Trump knows that Joe Biden won--they were asking whether the office seeker was in on the play.

I recognize that there may be a (very) few who truly think the election was stolen from President Trump in 2020 (just as a few pro wrestling and roller derby fans might think the matches are totally legit). But most will say "Trump won in 2020!" because it shows they're wise to the play--they're on the team.