Smoove wrote:
(Although, to be honest, I have no idea what he’s talking about here. )
Few people do. Most of the time it seems he is just talking to himself about something off-topic. Issues for sure.
Smoove wrote:
(Although, to be honest, I have no idea what he’s talking about here. )
Few people do. Most of the time it seems he is just talking to himself about something off-topic. Issues for sure.
We’ve said it several times, only cheaters seem upset when other cheaters are exposed.
fvck 'em. take care.
jesseriley wrote:
We’ve said it several times, only cheaters seem upset when other cheaters are exposed.
Only a dedicated, hardcore cheater would know that, and you have been extremely upset throughout this whole ordeal.
I suspect that you’re deflecting.
How about you post your race splits for analysis? Or are you afraid?
Pot meet kettle wrote:
jesseriley wrote:
We’ve said it several times, only cheaters seem upset when other cheaters are exposed.
Only a dedicated, hardcore cheater would know that, and you have been extremely upset throughout this whole ordeal.
I suspect that you’re deflecting.
How about you post your race splits for analysis? Or are you afraid?
True. Brags about a sub 3 and can't produce the goods to prove it. Smells mezaupped to me.
Canine259 wrote:
Smells mezaupped to me.
Nice first attempt but it will never have the staying power of "Pulling a Rosie".
Canine259 wrote:
Pot meet kettle wrote:
Only a dedicated, hardcore cheater would know that, and you have been extremely upset throughout this whole ordeal.
I suspect that you’re deflecting.
How about you post your race splits for analysis? Or are you afraid?
True. Brags about a sub 3 and can't produce the goods to prove it. Smells mezaupped to me.
Looks like ole Jess has some explaining to do.
It's always those that speak loudest that are hiding the most.
Canine259 wrote:
Pot meet kettle wrote:
Only a dedicated, hardcore cheater would know that, and you have been extremely upset throughout this whole ordeal.
I suspect that you’re deflecting.
How about you post your race splits for analysis? Or are you afraid?
True. Brags about a sub 3 and can't produce the goods to prove it. Smells mezaupped to me.
And just like that, jesse has been silenced.
I would be interested in a follow up article from a psychological stand point. I mean: Meza cheated... and I think most of the cheating has been hashed out. We have the details or a general idea about the ones that haven't had the fine-tooth comb treatment.
But, Meza was a respected physician who came from poverty. He attained degrees, wealth, and status in the community. He was beloved by a family and as a coach. He was a founder of at least one influential group (Aztec). He had kid(s) who turned out to be successful doctors. Essentially, he had the best life.
But, what he really wanted was to be recognized as a runner; it really could have been anything...he just chose running. All of the things most of us would love to have, he had...but that still wasn't enough. Most of us just accept that we won't be in the .01% of anything....I do anyways. We strive to be the best , but won't lie, cheat, and steal to get there....but for some, that's not enough.
Then there was the planning. I can follow a plan...I can listen to a coach, but I could not have done what was necessary for Meza to accomplish the cheating he did...even if I wanted to. And, he had to do it in a way that (most) people wouldn't discover the fraud. It was almost as much effort as just doing the running....not really, but you get what I'm saying.
I just find the whole story fascinating....way more interesting than some "one off" who wants a BQ or an "Influencer" who wants to look good to followers. I just think it's an interesting case study...then again, I'm not a psychologist. .
smartyiak wrote:
I would be interested in a follow up article from a psychological stand point. I mean: Meza cheated... and I think most of the cheating has been hashed out. We have the details or a general idea about the ones that haven't had the fine-tooth comb treatment.
But, Meza was a respected physician who came from poverty. He attained degrees, wealth, and status in the community. He was beloved by a family and as a coach. He was a founder of at least one influential group (Aztec). He had kid(s) who turned out to be successful doctors. Essentially, he had the best life.
But, what he really wanted was to be recognized as a runner; it really could have been anything...he just chose running. All of the things most of us would love to have, he had...but that still wasn't enough. Most of us just accept that we won't be in the .01% of anything....I do anyways. We strive to be the best , but won't lie, cheat, and steal to get there....but for some, that's not enough.
Then there was the planning. I can follow a plan...I can listen to a coach, but I could not have done what was necessary for Meza to accomplish the cheating he did...even if I wanted to. And, he had to do it in a way that (most) people wouldn't discover the fraud. It was almost as much effort as just doing the running....not really, but you get what I'm saying.
I just find the whole story fascinating....way more interesting than some "one off" who wants a BQ or an "Influencer" who wants to look good to followers. I just think it's an interesting case study...then again, I'm not a psychologist. .
Exactly, it's not about trying to get the guy DQ'd from races at this point. I find the whole thing fascinating, mainly the why, somewhat the how.
As for his family, who point to people on this website and others as being the problem for exposing him; here's a guy setting records in marathons, did they go to any of these races? Did they ever go and support him and watch him run these races over the past decade? The athletes he coached, did they ever go watch him race? His colleagues at Aztlan, did they watch him race? He was setting records for God's sake. It seems like someone would have gone to support him and have photographic evidence vindicating him.
I think that's where some of the continuing interest lies in this story. Just put it in the context of your own life, if you were in a similar status in life, how would you pull this off, who else would know, and more importantly, why would you do it?
It is fascinating & revealing, and some people don’t like that, I guess.
smartyiak wrote:
I would be interested in a follow up article from a psychological stand point. I mean: Meza cheated... and I think most of the cheating has been hashed out. We have the details or a general idea about the ones that haven't had the fine-tooth comb treatment.
But, Meza was a respected physician who came from poverty. He attained degrees, wealth, and status in the community. He was beloved by a family and as a coach. He was a founder of at least one influential group (Aztec). He had kid(s) who turned out to be successful doctors. Essentially, he had the best life.
But, what he really wanted was to be recognized as a runner; it really could have been anything...he just chose running. All of the things most of us would love to have, he had...but that still wasn't enough. Most of us just accept that we won't be in the .01% of anything....I do anyways. We strive to be the best , but won't lie, cheat, and steal to get there....but for some, that's not enough.
Then there was the planning. I can follow a plan...I can listen to a coach, but I could not have done what was necessary for Meza to accomplish the cheating he did...even if I wanted to. And, he had to do it in a way that (most) people wouldn't discover the fraud. It was almost as much effort as just doing the running....not really, but you get what I'm saying.
I just find the whole story fascinating....way more interesting than some "one off" who wants a BQ or an "Influencer" who wants to look good to followers. I just think it's an interesting case study...then again, I'm not a psychologist. .
It's been happening for awhile; here's an article from RW that speculates on the motives for cheating;
https://www.runnersworld.com/uk/events/a773630/marathon-running-why-do-people-cheat/Coincidently, in the article a timing guy mentions a chronic cheater that was a doctor, but the timing company is located in the South so it wasn't Meza.
Egg Beater wrote:
smartyiak wrote:
I would be interested in a follow up article from a psychological stand point. I mean: Meza cheated... and I think most of the cheating has been hashed out. We have the details or a general idea about the ones that haven't had the fine-tooth comb treatment.
But, Meza was a respected physician who came from poverty. He attained degrees, wealth, and status in the community. He was beloved by a family and as a coach. He was a founder of at least one influential group (Aztec). He had kid(s) who turned out to be successful doctors. Essentially, he had the best life.
But, what he really wanted was to be recognized as a runner; it really could have been anything...he just chose running. All of the things most of us would love to have, he had...but that still wasn't enough. Most of us just accept that we won't be in the .01% of anything....I do anyways. We strive to be the best , but won't lie, cheat, and steal to get there....but for some, that's not enough.
Then there was the planning. I can follow a plan...I can listen to a coach, but I could not have done what was necessary for Meza to accomplish the cheating he did...even if I wanted to. And, he had to do it in a way that (most) people wouldn't discover the fraud. It was almost as much effort as just doing the running....not really, but you get what I'm saying.
I just find the whole story fascinating....way more interesting than some "one off" who wants a BQ or an "Influencer" who wants to look good to followers. I just think it's an interesting case study...then again, I'm not a psychologist. .
Exactly, it's not about trying to get the guy DQ'd from races at this point. I find the whole thing fascinating, mainly the why, somewhat the how.
As for his family, who point to people on this website and others as being the problem for exposing him; here's a guy setting records in marathons, did they go to any of these races? Did they ever go and support him and watch him run these races over the past decade? The athletes he coached, did they ever go watch him race? His colleagues at Aztlan, did they watch him race? He was setting records for God's sake. It seems like someone would have gone to support him and have photographic evidence vindicating him.
I think that's where some of the continuing interest lies in this story. Just put it in the context of your own life, if you were in a similar status in life, how would you pull this off, who else would know, and more importantly, why would you do it?
Hi Ernest. lolz
smartyiak wrote:
I would be interested in a follow up article from a psychological stand point. I mean: Meza cheated... and I think most of the cheating has been hashed out. We have the details or a general idea about the ones that haven't had the fine-tooth comb treatment.
But, Meza was a respected physician who came from poverty. He attained degrees, wealth, and status in the community. He was beloved by a family and as a coach. He was a founder of at least one influential group (Aztec). He had kid(s) who turned out to be successful doctors. Essentially, he had the best life.
But, what he really wanted was to be recognized as a runner; it really could have been anything...he just chose running. All of the things most of us would love to have, he had...but that still wasn't enough. Most of us just accept that we won't be in the .01% of anything....I do anyways. We strive to be the best , but won't lie, cheat, and steal to get there....but for some, that's not enough.
Then there was the planning. I can follow a plan...I can listen to a coach, but I could not have done what was necessary for Meza to accomplish the cheating he did...even if I wanted to. And, he had to do it in a way that (most) people wouldn't discover the fraud. It was almost as much effort as just doing the running....not really, but you get what I'm saying.
I just find the whole story fascinating....way more interesting than some "one off" who wants a BQ or an "Influencer" who wants to look good to followers. I just think it's an interesting case study...then again, I'm not a psychologist. .
Really is absolutely fascinating. On the surface, this guy achieved high levels of success in education, career, family, service to community and material wealth. Yet, he developed a cheating habit, to an excessive level, where he was routinely cheating in regional marathons and races around California.
They say with gambling addicts, they always think they will win, so they gamble more & more so they won’t “miss out.”
'sup wrote:
Egg Beater wrote:
Exactly, it's not about trying to get the guy DQ'd from races at this point. I find the whole thing fascinating, mainly the why, somewhat the how.
As for his family, who point to people on this website and others as being the problem for exposing him; here's a guy setting records in marathons, did they go to any of these races? Did they ever go and support him and watch him run these races over the past decade? The athletes he coached, did they ever go watch him race? His colleagues at Aztlan, did they watch him race? He was setting records for God's sake. It seems like someone would have gone to support him and have photographic evidence vindicating him.
I think that's where some of the continuing interest lies in this story. Just put it in the context of your own life, if you were in a similar status in life, how would you pull this off, who else would know, and more importantly, why would you do it?
Hi Ernest. lolz
You're suggesting this sock-puppet affirmation.
Wrong again. Not poster who agrees is the same person.
As previously noted ,I have only ever posted here use my registered account and my real name.
Ernest wrote:
'sup wrote:
Hi Ernest. lolz
You're suggesting this sock-puppet affirmation.
Wrong again. Not poster who agrees is the same person.
As previously noted ,I have only ever posted here use my registered account and my real name.
Riiiiiight.
‘Sup wrote:
Ernest wrote:
You're suggesting this sock-puppet affirmation.
Wrong again. Not poster who agrees is the same person.
As previously noted ,I have only ever posted here use my registered account and my real name.
Riiiiiight.
I give permission to board administrators here to confirm I have only ever posted non-anonymously. Feel free to do likewise.
Stop being a troll and focus on the discussion and not the people.
As someone who has run a ton of sub 3 marathons, this has nothing really to do with whether jerrislee or anyone else has something worthwhile to add.
jesseriley wrote:
They say with gambling addicts, they always think they will win, so they gamble more & more so they won’t “miss out.”
In the gambling business, those people are referred to as bridge jumpers.
Egg Beater wrote:
smartyiak wrote:
I would be interested in a follow up article from a psychological stand point. I mean: Meza cheated... and I think most of the cheating has been hashed out. We have the details or a general idea about the ones that haven't had the fine-tooth comb treatment.
But, Meza was a respected physician who came from poverty. He attained degrees, wealth, and status in the community. He was beloved by a family and as a coach. He was a founder of at least one influential group (Aztec). He had kid(s) who turned out to be successful doctors. Essentially, he had the best life.
But, what he really wanted was to be recognized as a runner; it really could have been anything...he just chose running. All of the things most of us would love to have, he had...but that still wasn't enough. Most of us just accept that we won't be in the .01% of anything....I do anyways. We strive to be the best , but won't lie, cheat, and steal to get there....but for some, that's not enough.
Then there was the planning. I can follow a plan...I can listen to a coach, but I could not have done what was necessary for Meza to accomplish the cheating he did...even if I wanted to. And, he had to do it in a way that (most) people wouldn't discover the fraud. It was almost as much effort as just doing the running....not really, but you get what I'm saying.
I just find the whole story fascinating....way more interesting than some "one off" who wants a BQ or an "Influencer" who wants to look good to followers. I just think it's an interesting case study...then again, I'm not a psychologist. .
Exactly, it's not about trying to get the guy DQ'd from races at this point. I find the whole thing fascinating, mainly the why, somewhat the how.
As for his family, who point to people on this website and others as being the problem for exposing him; here's a guy setting records in marathons, did they go to any of these races? Did they ever go and support him and watch him run these races over the past decade? The athletes he coached, did they ever go watch him race? His colleagues at Aztlan, did they watch him race? He was setting records for God's sake. It seems like someone would have gone to support him and have photographic evidence vindicating him.
I think that's where some of the continuing interest lies in this story. Just put it in the context of your own life, if you were in a similar status in life, how would you pull this off, who else would know, and more importantly, why would you do it?
You both make some good points and mostly sum up where I'm at with this when I call/hope for further coverage of this. I'm not out to destroy Frank's remaining legacy or torture his family. There are tons of unanswered question remaining for me.
Here's an interesting article I've recently read:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/preventable-tragedies