What happened? Frank Meza bonk and still finish third place. https://www.runraceresults.com/Secure/RaceResults.cfm?ID=RCEW2017
What happened? Frank Meza bonk and still finish third place. https://www.runraceresults.com/Secure/RaceResults.cfm?ID=RCEW2017
I guess the first 3 places are not gun time. How upsetting for 4th place.
I've found some footage of Frank, he's the one on the right:
Thought he'd get a win by age cheating, but didn't quite work out. ?
it's only matter of time wrote:
the photos in front of the wax museum are b/f the 15K mat, as are the photos you reference. but, go to page 7213 (the sequence of frank in front of the chinese theatre). go to pic 3017_115397, enlarge it, and look to the figure walking on to the course, just to the right of the 9 water mark. did this photographer just catch frank jumping back on the course? go through the sequence following. the 15K mat is w/in a mile and frank and the woman, 18573, cross the 15k mat within three seconds of one another (frank 3 seconds back).
Pic 3017_115393 - 3017_115396: the same people can be seen
Pic _115397: from the right Mr. X hits the road again and the runner in red /yellow throws up the arms (again on pic _115398 and _115400), not out of joy, I guess
Pic _115400 - Pic _115404: just on these few meters to the camera the man who came from the right loses on both (the runner in red /yellow and the woman) at least 10m or rather more.
Is this a runner who is capable of running 2:53 with interesting splits?
Not me, wife won't give me the money. wrote:
PitchinAFit wrote:
Geez, you aren't kidding. Look at 3017_115398. The guy in yellow seems to be quite upset, which is understandable. Nothing like running an honest pace just to see some guy jump in right behind you from a side street.
I thought that too, someone needs to get those high resolution photos.
Get the photo. Get the guy in yellow's bib number. Find is name. Contact him and ask him what happened. He gaps FM by the distance between two white lines on the road in only... what... maybe 100 yards?
His bib number should be clearly visible in the hi res photo 3017_115403.
fisky wrote:
Not me, wife won't give me the money. wrote:
I thought that too, someone needs to get those high resolution photos.
Get the photo. Get the guy in yellow's bib number. Find is name. Contact him and ask him what happened. He gaps FM by the distance between two white lines on the road in only... what... maybe 100 yards?
His bib number should be clearly visible in the hi res photo 3017_115403.
Got it from finish line photo. The guy in yellow is bib 22397, gun time finish is 2:49:11 or very close since that what the clock shows in his finishing photo here.
https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/singlephoto/en/usd/3017/3017_027367fisky wrote:
fisky wrote:
Get the photo. Get the guy in yellow's bib number. Find is name. Contact him and ask him what happened. He gaps FM by the distance between two white lines on the road in only... what... maybe 100 yards?
His bib number should be clearly visible in the hi res photo 3017_115403.
Got it from finish line photo. The guy in yellow is bib 22397, gun time finish is 2:49:11 or very close since that what the clock shows in his finishing photo here.
https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/singlephoto/en/usd/3017/3017_027367
This guy is Greek from Athens so I doubt anyone will be able to contact him.
The woman in the same photo is from Long Beach, bib 19087. Her official gun and chip times were 2:52:39 and 2:53:32 respectively. She's F34 from Long Beach, CA, so someone on LetsRun should know her. I'm not posting her name because of privacy issues. Here's the finish photo.
https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/singlephoto/en/usd/3017/3017_027446Here is the finish photo of FM at official gun time of 2:53:58. The guy in yellow had an official gun time of 2:49:11 and the woman in black with the bright pink (orange?) shoes had a gun time of 2:52:39.
So between the time that photo of the guy in yellow throwing up his hands and the finish, FM lost 4:47 to the guy in yellow and 1:20 to the woman in black.
How far was that photo of the guy in yellow throwing up his hands from the finish? Anyone know?
https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/singlephoto/en/usd/3017/3017_027504
I don't have time to scroll through the entire thread, but am keen to know what happened here. Did he cheat?
fisky wrote:
Here is the finish photo of FM at official gun time of 2:53:58. The guy in yellow had an official gun time of 2:49:11 and the woman in black with the bright pink (orange?) shoes had a gun time of 2:52:39.
So between the time that photo of the guy in yellow throwing up his hands and the finish, FM lost 4:47 to the guy in yellow and 1:20 to the woman in black.
How far was that photo of the guy in yellow throwing up his hands from the finish? Anyone know?
https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/singlephoto/en/usd/3017/3017_027504
The sequence including the photo of (apparently) Frank returning to the course was reportedly close to the 20k mark and Frank was 1 minute 40 seconds behind both of these runners by 20k -- so that is the relevant split based on the suspicions discussed in this thread.
The guy in yellow and the woman in black ran together most of the way until the woman faded at the end.
Are you suggesting someone contact the lady in black with the pink shoes to see if she remembers anything suspicious going on during the race?
She is easily found on-line with her own web site.
Frank Table wrote:
The sequence including the photo of (apparently) Frank returning to the course was reportedly close to the 20k mark and Frank was 1 minute 40 seconds behind both of these runners by 20k -- so that is the relevant split based on the suspicions discussed in this thread.
The guy in yellow and the woman in black ran together most of the way until the woman faded at the end.
Sorry but there is way more mentioned in this thread.
Please have a look at the pics from 3017_115397 to 3017_115404. You will see that the guy in yellow and the woman just need about 100 yards to open a big gap after Mr. X returned to the course! Do the math for the following 20k.
side by side splits for the greek, LM (studette) and FM show that the greek & LM hooked up between 10k and 15k. The only realistic time FM could be with them would be between 10k and 15k as well. Probably about half way plus. FM actually steadily fell behind them each 5k at a rate that would make sense. This could mean many things. There is no rule against going off course. There is probably not much that could be cheated distance wise on this point to point course. One question being were there port a pots at this point on the course. FM was ahead of the Greek and LM at 10k. If he dashed off course too tinkle, they would likely have noticed. (though it seems they were happily getting acquainted and might not have noticed) They did seem to notice FM rejoin the course. If as is suspected by many that FM got to this point on course by somehow cheating...the means of how he would be doing that are still a mystery. Bottom line is FM could easily talk his way out of this. So to all the sleuths, you are wasting your time. It is already proven FM rejoined the course. You need to find other damning evidence. Not such silly stuff as his legs don't look like a 2:53 .. 70 year old marathoner. I run, and most fast runners are the stereotypes, but I believe we all have seen (and been beaten) by runners that we can't believe, (by the way they look) just beat us. Look at the elite women marathoners. Some of the very best look a bit thick to me. You also may never find proof from past races. Thus (DUH) to prove he cheats you need to catch him in a future race. Like Long Beach or Santa Clarita. If FM simply retires, I would consider that an admission of guilt.
quick recap please? wrote:
I don't have time to scroll through the entire thread, but am keen to know what happened here. Did he cheat?
There used to be a name for your request but we aren't allowed to say it any more - suffice to say that it referred to the practice of registering at the start then driving to the end of the thread and jumping back in,
Roderick Powell wrote:
If FM simply retires, I would consider that an admission of guilt.
I take back my earlier comment. If I ever get in trouble, I don't want you on my jury. Especially if I'm actually innocent.
sorry, roderick, santa claus is not real... and neither are FM marathon times. just do the math looking at the clock times. runner 19087 crosses the 15K mat at 1:01:23 and the 20K mat at 1:21:21, a 19:58 5K, 6:25 pace. fm crosses the 15K mat at 1:01:40, 17 seconds behind 19087. to catch 19807 in the spot that he's pictured with her, he would have to run considerably faster than 6:25 pace on hollywood blvd (and remember, he's not pictured further east on hollywood). and, then, he catches the two, only to put on the breaks, after his pit stop nonetheless, and come in 1:47 behind 19087 at the 20K mark. he's is a cheat, plain and simple.
Roderick Powell wrote:
You need to find other damning evidence. Not such silly stuff as his legs don't look like a 2:53 .. 70 year old marathoner.
Read and digest what 'you have to be kidding me...' has written just above, then there's all the other stuff, then there's this where every other runner (and even pedestrians crossing the course and bikes riding it) appeared in photos at this spot:
Apart from Frank, what am I missing? wrote:
it's only a matter of time wrote:
great call on asking for the wax museum photos, b/c frank's not pictured. our friend 1108 is pictured on page 6630. based on the splits and looking at the clock time, he crossed the 20K mat (just up the road, but only after a zig (or a zag)) 45 seconds ahead of frank. frank is not on pages 6631 through 6635 (on 6635, there's a runner, 40773, who crossed the 20K mat 35 seconds after frank). this house of cards is crumbling. come clean frank.
https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/photobrowser/en/USD/3017#All/Run/6630At that spot you are virtually guaranteed of appearing in at least one photo or more, FMD there's even pedestrians crossing the road and cyclists riding the course appearing in them there.
On page 6630 there's the big fella 1108 who Frank had been running with, on page 6633 is the woman Frank finished just ahead of and on page 6629 is the white T shirt fella who Frank finished just behind.
So 15th page either side of page 6630: runners on page 6645 finished around 3hr17, page 6615 around 2min40.
But guess what, in between no photos of Frank.
Apart from Frank, what am I missing?
A super sleuth is needed to collate all the evidence.
Could have enough already. wrote:
At that spot you are virtually guaranteed of appearing in at least one photo or more,
But guess what, in between no photos of Frank.
Apart from Frank, what am I missing?
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I think I've found him, the camera has only just caught him and it's blurry, Frank must have been putting in one of his well known surges:
https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/singlephoto/en/usd/3017/3017_106316So, clock times: 19087 15k and 20k: 1:01:23 then 1:21:21 Finish 2:52:39 FM 15k and 20K: 1:01:40 then 1:23:01 Finish 2:53:58 FM has a bad patch between 15k and 20k, losing an additional 1:23 to runner 19087 to be 1:40 behind her at 20k; he then rallies somewhat and ultimately finishes 1:19 behind her. So he gained :21 back on her in the second half of the course. If there are photos of them running together virtually anywhere after 15k, and especially between 15k and 20k, that would seem to be justification to email the race director. Is he actually in the same photo with her? And is it definitely between 15k and 20k?
you have to be kidding me... wrote:
sorry, roderick, santa claus is not real... and neither are FM marathon times. just do the math looking at the clock times. runner 19087 crosses the 15K mat at 1:01:23 and the 20K mat at 1:21:21, a 19:58 5K, 6:25 pace. fm crosses the 15K mat at 1:01:40, 17 seconds behind 19087. to catch 19807 in the spot that he's pictured with her, he would have to run considerably faster than 6:25 pace on hollywood blvd (and remember, he's not pictured further east on hollywood). and, then, he catches the two, only to put on the breaks, after his pit stop nonetheless, and come in 1:47 behind 19087 at the 20K mark. he's is a cheat, plain and simple.