This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
Spurious correlation. What does your neat little chart say about obesity and comorbidities? Oh, yeah, absolutely nothing.
Not once have I ever come out against the “vaccine” for the fat, elderly, OR comorbid. Also, what about therapeutics? The chart doesn’t speak to that.
Since we’ve turned a page… I have lots of questions that your chart doesn’t speak to. What day you and SPECIFICALLY you?
What does the chart say about convalescence? About administering a bivalent fourth dose now? Nothing. Not a thing. So, is your position that all should be taking a bivalent, 4th dose?
Spurious correlation. What does your neat little chart say about obesity and comorbidities? Oh, yeah, absolutely nothing.
Not once have I ever come out against the “vaccine” for the fat, elderly, OR comorbid. Also, what about therapeutics? The chart doesn’t speak to that.
Covidiocy, don't you know that unless you believe the covid "vaccine" and all the boosters, should be taken on a strict schedule, for everyone, regardless of age, regardless of risk, in order to be allowed to participate in society, than you are "anti-vax"? Don't confuse these binary brained fools with other variables.
"Biden fixed Covid" - Harambe March 2021 and multiple times after.
"good luck with your natural immunity" (this is a paraphrase, he was actually more snarky, I just don't feel like looking for it) - Harambe, denier of hundreds of years of science on viruses, to Bidenfixedcovid.
Oh, and BA.5 shouldn’t be knocking off anyone. That’s the point.
Do you have evidence that BA 5 is mild enough that it shouldn’t be killing anybody? That’s a bold claim and seems to be the centerpiece of your current argument. Waiting for evidence!
The unvaccinated are still dying of COVID at a rate far higher than the vaxxed in the us:
Spurious correlation. What does your neat little chart say about obesity and comorbidities? Oh, yeah, absolutely nothing.
Not once have I ever come out against the “vaccine” for the fat, elderly, OR comorbid. Also, what about therapeutics? The chart doesn’t speak to that.
Covidiocy, don't you know that unless you believe the covid "vaccine" and all the boosters, should be taken on a strict schedule, for everyone, regardless of age, regardless of risk, in order to be allowed to participate in society, than you are "anti-vax"? Don't confuse these binary brained fools with other variables.
"Biden fixed Covid" - Harambe March 2021 and multiple times after.
"good luck with your natural immunity" (this is a paraphrase, he was actually more snarky, I just don't feel like looking for it) - Harambe, denier of hundreds of years of science on viruses, to Bidenfixedcovid.
I’m glad I’m still such a big presence in your life that you decide to pop in every few months and remind me :)
Biden did fix COVID. He rolled out a vaccine that made COVID a tolerable risk to everyone who wanted it to be. Plenty of people decided to not get vaxxed and they died — if you want to blame Biden for antivaxxers dying… then I guess you wanted harsher mandates?
I’ve never once denied the efficacy of natural immunity. There were many blowhards, such as yourself, who pretended that natural immunity was just as good as being vaccinated. This was disproven, especially with new omicron variants that require vaccination on top of prior infection to mount a competent immune defense.
Thanks for checking in for your monthly dressing-down. See ya in the new year.
You know what that chart does say? That we didn’t need to vaccinate ALL 25 and unders. Very few actually. That’s quite true.
Brilliant. If only we had a way of going back in time after someone died of COVID and choosing to vaccinate them.
You really have a top-tier understanding of risk. Protective measures should only be applied to those who need it!
How do we figure out who needs it?? Details… not my problem! I’ll continue to be very Mad that someone posted a chart.
Also death is not the only risk of COVID ask all the runners on here who lost a season to COVID.
Monkeys chart shows that COVID is a risk for tons of people under 45 was. And was a deadly risk for many under 25. This completely contradicts your antivaxxer rantings.
And what do you do when faced with data like this? Change your mind? Apply thoughtful scientific reasoning? No, rage and post tons trying to find some shred of evidence to support your crumbling dogma. Straight out of the antivaxxer playbook.
Spurious correlation. What does your neat little chart say about obesity and comorbidities? Oh, yeah, absolutely nothing.
Not once have I ever come out against the “vaccine” for the fat, elderly, OR comorbid. Also, what about therapeutics? The chart doesn’t speak to that.
Covidiocy, don't you know that unless you believe the covid "vaccine" and all the boosters, should be taken on a strict schedule, for everyone, regardless of age, regardless of risk, in order to be allowed to participate in society, than you are "anti-vax"? Don't confuse these binary brained fools with other variables.
"Biden fixed Covid" - Harambe March 2021 and multiple times after.
"good luck with your natural immunity" (this is a paraphrase, he was actually more snarky, I just don't feel like looking for it) - Harambe, denier of hundreds of years of science on viruses, to Bidenfixedcovid.
Absolutely nothing. BA.5 was supplanted in the US in late October, and BQ.1.1. is currently the strain du jour.
What does any of this have to do with Japan? I previously posted that a fairly innocuous BA.5 (here & elsewhere) was picking off a highly “vaxxed” and compliant population in Japan, and you condemned me saying Japan was much ado about nothing. Only you were wrong and now you’re trying to backpedal and change the argument.
You know what that chart does say? That we didn’t need to vaccinate ALL 25 and unders. Very few actually. That’s quite true.
How do we figure out who needs it?? Details… not my problem! I’ll continue to be very Mad that someone posted a chart.
Monkeys chart shows that COVID is a risk for tons of people under 45 was. And was a deadly risk for many under 25. This completely contradicts your antivaxxer rantings.
That’s just it. We knew VERY early that adipose tissue was a natural reservoir and exacerbated Covid, low vit D exacerbated Covid, people w significant comorbidity of any age suffered at the extreme, so we actually did have a TARGET population. A population that if they refused the “vax” could still be administered therapeutics, FDA approved drugs, to mitigate the illness and thwart long Covid.
Again, the important point that nobody wants to address is that chart says absolutely nothing about convalescence, comorbidity, obesity, etc. It says nothing. It’s just a chart with zero context.
Covidiocy, don't you know that unless you believe the covid "vaccine" and all the boosters, should be taken on a strict schedule, for everyone, regardless of age, regardless of risk, in order to be allowed to participate in society, than you are "anti-vax"? Don't confuse these binary brained fools with other variables.
"Biden fixed Covid" - Harambe March 2021 and multiple times after.
"good luck with your natural immunity" (this is a paraphrase, he was actually more snarky, I just don't feel like looking for it) - Harambe, denier of hundreds of years of science on viruses, to Bidenfixedcovid.
I’m glad I’m still such a big presence in your life that you decide to pop in every few months and remind me :)
Biden did fix COVID. He rolled out a vaccine that made COVID a tolerable risk to everyone who wanted it to be. Plenty of people decided to not get vaxxed and they died — if you want to blame Biden for antivaxxers dying… then I guess you wanted harsher mandates?
I’ve never once denied the efficacy of natural immunity. There were many blowhards, such as yourself, who pretended that natural immunity was just as good as being vaccinated. This was disproven, especially with new omicron variants that require vaccination on top of prior infection to mount a competent immune defense.
Thanks for checking in for your monthly dressing-down. See ya in the new year.
Biden took his first Covid vaccine in December of 2020, before he took office.
Absolutely nothing. BA.5 was supplanted in the US in late October, and BQ.1.1. is currently the strain du jour.
What does any of this have to do with Japan? I previously posted that a fairly innocuous BA.5 (here & elsewhere) was picking off a highly “vaxxed” and compliant population in Japan, and you condemned me saying Japan was much ado about nothing. Only you were wrong and now you’re trying to backpedal and change the argument.
Sigh, I hate to do this. But here we go:
Google: 'base rate fallacy'
Your argument is, as usual, "the vaccines are not 100% percent effective, let's FREAK OUT!"
How do we figure out who needs it?? Details… not my problem! I’ll continue to be very Mad that someone posted a chart.
Monkeys chart shows that COVID is a risk for tons of people under 45 was. And was a deadly risk for many under 25. This completely contradicts your antivaxxer rantings.
That’s just it. We knew VERY early that adipose tissue was a natural reservoir and exacerbated Covid, low vit D exacerbated Covid, people w significant comorbidity of any age suffered at the extreme, so we actually did have a TARGET population. A population that if they refused the “vax” could still be administered therapeutics, FDA approved drugs, to mitigate the illness and thwart long Covid.
Again, the important point that nobody wants to address is that chart says absolutely nothing about convalescence, comorbidity, obesity, etc. It says nothing. It’s just a chart with zero context.
And the vaccine and boosters have preferentially rolled out to vulnerable populations exactly as you suggest. You literally have no argument.
The chart eviscerates your point and all you can do is babble about context.
All of this is moot because studies have repeatedly shown greatly positive reward:risk ratios in young, healthy people.
Nobody is forcing anyone to get the vaccine anymore either. You have literally nothing to be mad about... yet you still rage. I suspect this is anger that the vaccines worked. That big pharma and big medicine won. And that nobody else is falling for the grift that taking 400 supplements will magically turn you into Mr. Superimmune.
I’m glad I’m still such a big presence in your life that you decide to pop in every few months and remind me :)
Biden did fix COVID. He rolled out a vaccine that made COVID a tolerable risk to everyone who wanted it to be. Plenty of people decided to not get vaxxed and they died — if you want to blame Biden for antivaxxers dying… then I guess you wanted harsher mandates?
I’ve never once denied the efficacy of natural immunity. There were many blowhards, such as yourself, who pretended that natural immunity was just as good as being vaccinated. This was disproven, especially with new omicron variants that require vaccination on top of prior infection to mount a competent immune defense.
Thanks for checking in for your monthly dressing-down. See ya in the new year.
Biden took his first Covid vaccine in December of 2020, before he took office.
Yet, he fixed covid? Amazing.
I am happy to give Trump credit as well! OWS was a massive success! It's saved more lives than any other medical intervention in the last 50 years in the developed world. Grifter naturopaths are 'punching air' right now lol.
Absolutely nothing. BA.5 was supplanted in the US in late October, and BQ.1.1. is currently the strain du jour.
What does any of this have to do with Japan? I previously posted that a fairly innocuous BA.5 (here & elsewhere) was picking off a highly “vaxxed” and compliant population in Japan, and you condemned me saying Japan was much ado about nothing. Only you were wrong and now you’re trying to backpedal and change the argument.
Sigh, I hate to do this. But here we go:
Google: 'base rate fallacy'
Your argument is, as usual, "the vaccines are not 100% percent effective, let's FREAK OUT!"
Tired. Embarrassing. Childish. Low-IQ.
Do better!
Right, so I brought up Japan a week or two ago & your argument has literally gone from:
1.) Antivaxxers pulling the old bait & switch w “cases,” which don’t mean anything.
2.) Deaths, but barely above baseline.
3.) So deaths creeping up, my bad, but where’s the data that suggests BA.5 is innocuous (other than just look around the world)?
4.) Ok, well cases & deaths from BA.5, but Simpson’s Paradox. The Japs were going to die anyway.
That’s just it. We knew VERY early that adipose tissue was a natural reservoir and exacerbated Covid, low vit D exacerbated Covid, people w significant comorbidity of any age suffered at the extreme, so we actually did have a TARGET population. A population that if they refused the “vax” could still be administered therapeutics, FDA approved drugs, to mitigate the illness and thwart long Covid.
Again, the important point that nobody wants to address is that chart says absolutely nothing about convalescence, comorbidity, obesity, etc. It says nothing. It’s just a chart with zero context.
The chart eviscerates your point and all you can do is babble about context.
Nobody is forcing anyone to get the vaccine anymore either. You have literally nothing to be mad about... yet you still rage. I suspect this is anger that the vaccines worked. That big pharma and big medicine won. And that nobody else is falling for the grift that taking 400 supplements will magically turn you into Mr. Superimmune.
Chart totally lacking proper context most definitely does NOT eviscerate my point. But, be my guest, go get the bivalent booster.
Definitely not angry. You sound like the pissed off one. I suspect it irritates you that so many like myself & my family & my relatives survived Covid easily with no “vaccines,” no hospitalization, no long Covid. Just good, common sense measures, & now we have broad immunity to contribute to the herd, while you have to wonder, just what in God’s name have you done to yourself.
Imagine when we get a real pandemic. People are so mistrustful of your types now, we will really be in trouble. Great job! I’m bored again. But I will occasionally post just to circumvent your automated bot bs.
Covidiocy, don't you know that unless you believe the covid "vaccine" and all the boosters, should be taken on a strict schedule, for everyone, regardless of age, regardless of risk, in order to be allowed to participate in society, than you are "anti-vax"? Don't confuse these binary brained fools with other variables.
"Biden fixed Covid" - Harambe March 2021 and multiple times after.
"good luck with your natural immunity" (this is a paraphrase, he was actually more snarky, I just don't feel like looking for it) - Harambe, denier of hundreds of years of science on viruses, to Bidenfixedcovid.
What sucks is an actual nasal vaccine that could elicit the foundational secretory IgA response in the mucosal lining could’ve actually stopped transmission. Would not have been hard to do. Now, if we ever get it, nobody is going to take it. But, I’m not actually sure stopping transmission was ever the goal.
Instead, we use an epitope that is supposedly highly conserved, even though we are seeing tons of mutation. We don’t pick the nucleocapsid antigen or spine helix, which would provoke a much more durable T cell response. Brilliant.
