Let me ask both of you a question: what would it take for you to change your mind about Trump? If you can't think of anything, then let me suggest that the candidate might not be the problem.
[Words, words, words, words.]
All due respect, JustMe22, you're trying to be sophisticated in your analysis and approach, but missing the mark. Your highlighted comment about it nothing cutesy nothingness. Trump has been proving his utter unfitness for the job since 2015. It's the candidate. It's Trump.
You've seen the lists. The criminality, the quotes, COVID response, kissing dictators, the crowd of felon friends, the prominent people who know him well who speak to his horrors, etc., etc., etc.
No one needs to provide you with one more shred of evidence for why they'd vote for nearly anyone other than Trump.
You wanna talk about why other morans DO want to vote for Trump? Have at it. THAT is an interesting and terribly depressing subject.
While I appreciate that you are giving me the benefit of the doubt in attempting a sophisticated analysis, the basic fact is I see humor in almost everything and prefer it to be lowbrow. Case in point: your first paragraph made me suspect I might be having a brain aneurysm.
You wrote:
Your highlighted comment about it nothing cutesy nothingness.
I'm still not sure whether or not this is a grammatically clean statement, I think I get the point, anyway...but just want to add: "Nothing Cutesy Nothingness" sounds like the name of a band that got heavy airplay on college radio circa 1995...or at least the b-side to an XTC smash hit (I'm gonna pick "Making Plans for Nigel," as that was their breakthrough).
Anyway...my question still remains unanswered. And I'm not interested in LARPing as a Trump supporter and defending all of your points, which are perfectly valid from your point of view, so that we can waste this day, set aside for those who have fallen for our right to enjoy it as Americans (assuming you are one...and extending good faith as my peer and equal, even if you aren't).
The point of my post was to consider *how* people can support Trump, especially in light of his massive flaws as a candidate. Half of that Libertarian crowd booed him. He took it like a champ. If Biden wants to keep insisting that his declining poll numbers are "made up," then he might want to watch Trump's speech and ask himself, "Why aren't I standing up in front of crowds that will boo me and asking for their vote, anyway?"
What I'm really more interested in talking about is why we dub those we disagree with politically as "morons." It's a choice. And, frankly, a moronic one. But a perfectly sane and intelligent person might make it.
In late April, near my home in Tampa, a woman from Guatemala and her four-year-old daughter were brutally killed with a knife and a shovel by the woman’s li...
All due respect, JustMe22, you're trying to be sophisticated in your analysis and approach, but missing the mark. Your highlighted comment about it nothing cutesy nothingness. Trump has been proving his utter unfitness for the job since 2015. It's the candidate. It's Trump.
You've seen the lists. The criminality, the quotes, COVID response, kissing dictators, the crowd of felon friends, the prominent people who know him well who speak to his horrors, etc., etc., etc.
No one needs to provide you with one more shred of evidence for why they'd vote for nearly anyone other than Trump.
You wanna talk about why other morans DO want to vote for Trump? Have at it. THAT is an interesting and terribly depressing subject.
While I appreciate that you are giving me the benefit of the doubt in attempting a sophisticated analysis, the basic fact is I see humor in almost everything and prefer it to be lowbrow. Case in point: your first paragraph made me suspect I might be having a brain aneurysm.
You wrote:
Your highlighted comment about it nothing cutesy nothingness.
I'm still not sure whether or not this is a grammatically clean statement, I think I get the point, anyway...but just want to add: "Nothing Cutesy Nothingness" sounds like the name of a band that got heavy airplay on college radio circa 1995...or at least the b-side to an XTC smash hit (I'm gonna pick "Making Plans for Nigel," as that was their breakthrough).
Anyway...my question still remains unanswered. And I'm not interested in LARPing as a Trump supporter and defending all of your points, which are perfectly valid from your point of view, so that we can waste this day, set aside for those who have fallen for our right to enjoy it as Americans (assuming you are one...and extending good faith as my peer and equal, even if you aren't).
The point of my post was to consider *how* people can support Trump, especially in light of his massive flaws as a candidate. Half of that Libertarian crowd booed him. He took it like a champ. If Biden wants to keep insisting that his declining poll numbers are "made up," then he might want to watch Trump's speech and ask himself, "Why aren't I standing up in front of crowds that will boo me and asking for their vote, anyway?"
What I'm really more interested in talking about is why we dub those we disagree with politically as "morons." It's a choice. And, frankly, a moronic one. But a perfectly sane and intelligent person might make it.
Yes, that sentence was horrendous, accidentally missing words. Sorry. And not very nice. But still accurate (if you can squint through it), I'm afraid.
Why? People who see Trump for what he is - one of the easiest feats in human history - don't need to look in the mirror. The Trumpers do. That simple. While all Trump voters obviously are not morans (accepted LRC spelling) in all aspects of life, at a minimum, in a civic sense they're obviously being far worse than simple morans. Democracies can go out the window. Trump wants to do that, and he has far, far too many supporters who are apparently OK with that.
If I got paid to run campaigns, I'd spend a lot of time thinking about the "Why?" of that. But I'm just a citizen, who used to be reasonably proud of this country. A whole lot of that has gone out the window as I see 20-40% who LIKE him, and nearly 50% who are willing to risk him fundamentally changing the country for the worse.
Lastly, compared to Trump's incredible flaws, him "taking it like a champ" in front of a crowd is completely meaningless. He could do that every single day and Biden could hide in the White House every single day, and it would mean nothing to me. Nor, I believe, should it mean anything to you or anyone else.
While I appreciate that you are giving me the benefit of the doubt in attempting a sophisticated analysis, the basic fact is I see humor in almost everything and prefer it to be lowbrow. Case in point: your first paragraph made me suspect I might be having a brain aneurysm.
I'm still not sure whether or not this is a grammatically clean statement, I think I get the point, anyway...but just want to add: "Nothing Cutesy Nothingness" sounds like the name of a band that got heavy airplay on college radio circa 1995...or at least the b-side to an XTC smash hit (I'm gonna pick "Making Plans for Nigel," as that was their breakthrough).
Anyway...my question still remains unanswered. And I'm not interested in LARPing as a Trump supporter and defending all of your points, which are perfectly valid from your point of view, so that we can waste this day, set aside for those who have fallen for our right to enjoy it as Americans (assuming you are one...and extending good faith as my peer and equal, even if you aren't).
The point of my post was to consider *how* people can support Trump, especially in light of his massive flaws as a candidate. Half of that Libertarian crowd booed him. He took it like a champ. If Biden wants to keep insisting that his declining poll numbers are "made up," then he might want to watch Trump's speech and ask himself, "Why aren't I standing up in front of crowds that will boo me and asking for their vote, anyway?"
What I'm really more interested in talking about is why we dub those we disagree with politically as "morons." It's a choice. And, frankly, a moronic one. But a perfectly sane and intelligent person might make it.
Yes, that sentence was horrendous, accidentally missing words. Sorry. And not very nice. But still accurate (if you can squint through it), I'm afraid.
Why? People who see Trump for what he is - one of the easiest feats in human history - don't need to look in the mirror. The Trumpers do. That simple. While all Trump voters obviously are not morans (accepted LRC spelling) in all aspects of life, at a minimum, in a civic sense they're obviously being far worse than simple morans. Democracies can go out the window. Trump wants to do that, and he has far, far too many supporters who are apparently OK with that.
If I got paid to run campaigns, I'd spend a lot of time thinking about the "Why?" of that. But I'm just a citizen, who used to be reasonably proud of this country. A whole lot of that has gone out the window as I see 20-40% who LIKE him, and nearly 50% who are willing to risk him fundamentally changing the country for the worse.
Lastly, compared to Trump's incredible flaws, him "taking it like a champ" in front of a crowd is completely meaningless. He could do that every single day and Biden could hide in the White House every single day, and it would mean nothing to me. Nor, I believe, should it mean anything to you or anyone else.
One other thought that occurs to me: I'm not a historian, but I wonder if looking at how we talk about past authoritarians and their countries might inform how much we (non-campaign staffers) ought to fret over "understanding" (and perhaps being sympathetic to) those who support authoritarians?
When we read the history of Nazi Germany or the rise of Italian fascism, we talk about horrible actors who take advantage of vulnerable nations. And a populace that supported them to an unacceptable degree. History sees the leaders as bad, and rarely, if ever, "gives a pass" to the populaces who allowed their rise. Sure, the conditions are explained - and due sympathy extended to those who may have been suffering. But do we ever say, "Yeah, it's 'UNDERSTANDABLE' and kinda-sorta OK that they supported Hitler and Mussolini?" No, we don't. As it should be, I believe.
At a very minimum, Trump would like to be Mussolini Light. That is clear. Enabling it is wrong.
The Libertarians that booed Trump were actors. Its the only place the establishment could create a negative scene because they kept a small crowd. A few actors booing at a rally is a non starter.
I do remember the preaching about how meaningful Obama rally's were. Somehow, now that Trump brings in 3X what Obama could, they are meaningless.
Let me ask both of you a question: what would it take for you to change your mind about Trump? If you can't think of anything, then let me suggest that the candidate might not be the problem.
Trump was courting Libertarian voters, speaking in front of a crowd that was holding "Free Ross [Ulrecht]" signs. He was booed by members of the crowd I said he was pandering to, but I want to take that back. He punched back to them, telling them "Nominate me as your candidate, if you want to win....otherwise be happy with your 3-4% [of the vote, around the fraction the Libertarian Party candidate gets]." It was determined he wasn't eligible for the nomination, anyway, but what he was really doing was courting their vote. Have either of you seen Biden address a hostile crowd or ask anyone outside of his collation for votes?
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Again...the question I have for both of you: what would Trump have to do or say to win your vote?
Please read this entire post thoughtfully.
Trump thought likely this crowd WOULD be receptive to him. Normally he only speaks to crowds known to be supporters.
Back to 2016. Some of my running friends thought Trump was great and was gonna "fix" the country. I told them "I hope you are right and he takes the job seriously. I hope he runs the government as a business, lowers the deficit, etc." I meant it.
His time in office was a constant barrage of divisive insults, half truths and lies on social media and speeches. It was a parade of criminal activity by his closest advisors, several of whom he pardoned. It was a consistent rhetoric of racism. He pandered to white supremacists and his advisors even coordinated with them. He lauded MULTIPLE dictators for being "strong leaders". He tried to pressure a foreign President and two AGs to open an investigation into his political rivals.
He started talking about election fraud a year before the election. He appointed a postmaster who dismantled sorting machines in a attempt to stop mail in votes. When he lost, he called multiple election officials to change vote counts, refuse to ratify, and tried to set up fake electors to override his loss. Then he asked Pence to refuse to ratify and told a crowd Pence was a traitor for following the law. He encouraged the crowd to go to the Capital and fight, which they did. He refused to call them off for hours.
He said the US military chief of staff should be executed and the Constitution should be suspended.
He continues the "If I don't win, elections are fraud" talk even after losing every court case (50+) for lack of evidence and every election audit.
Now he is arguing for absolute immunity for life.
So, what would it take to change my mind about him? His past actions would have to be dramatically different.
I have made a monumental discovery in understanding Trump.We all now about the projection of course. But if we dissect the statement below we must only conclude that Trump simply doesn’t understand the words he uses. He throws around terms hundreds of times that a child understands. But he doesn’t understand. But he feels it is his call to redefine any word as he sees fit.
When you’re a star, they let you do it.
REPORTER: Why do you keep calling Joe Biden a criminal? TRUMP: “He is a criminal. He got caught. Read his laptop. And do you know who's a criminal? MEDIA IS A CRIMINAL FOR NOT REPORTING IT.”
I'm just gonna make a list of things I do and don't like about Trump.
Like:
I like that Trump is funny. It's not really a pro or con politically to be funny, but he is entertaining and I'm always watching videos of him dunking on the other Republicans. I think Shane Gillis' standup bit on Trump is exceptional.
I like that Trump speaks to people in a relatable way. There's much less politician speak, even though it's definitely there if you're paying attention. He's actually able to connect with his base. His imperfections and lack of polish are disarming. He seems like a fun guy to play golf with.
I like Trump's populist type approach of draining the swamp, being anti-politician, and otherwise critical of Washington. I don't actually think he's draining any swamps, but I think it's completely fair to be fed up with government and want literally anything to change. The worst trade deals in the history of trade deals was a great moment.
Don't like:
I think he uses xenophobic and racist dogwhistles to rally his base. Mexico is sending us rapists, etc. I think it lacks compassion and speaks to the darker, more fearful parts of the human spirit. These bad people, enabled by the Libs, are coming to take your things and we need to build a wall to stop them. He has many anti-Semites who support him because he calls out "Liberal Jews." Then there's the big city crime stuff that he's pretty light on, but still carries the message "you should be afraid, mostly of people who don't look like you." This isn't a comment on the validity of such statements. Just the messaging.
He's incredibly divisive. Sure, he's hilarious, but it comes at the cost of being a prick and making a lot of people upset. He's rude. He's a jerk. I would prefer the leader of the free world to not be a jerk. Leadership should require humility, or at least fake humility. It's normal for politicians to have a lot of people not like them, but Trump inspires a level of hatred and vitriol that I think is more corrosive than anything.
I don't believe that privatization (education, healthcare) is the solution to our problems as a country. Not saying I know what the solutions are, but I don't think cutting the middle class a $1200 check in the form of a tax break is the solution either. Modern Republicans will point to our spending in Ukraine and make the point that we could be using that money better here at home, but would they use it on anything that would help people? I get that helping corporations helps regular people in theory, but corporations will literally do everything in their power to suck as much money and productivity as they can from people (and ship it overseas if it gets too costly). We have Amazon workers wearing diapers because their bathroom break are timed electronically. It's dystopian and I'm not sure that Trump is going to do anything to fix it. Actually I think he'll make it worse. The Republicans are typically Team Business, but businesses are not Team People.
And also I believe in a woman's right to choose regardless of what state she lives in. Not gonna argue about this because no one changes their mind and it's pointless, but I do not think an 8 week old fetus is a baby. RBG died and the ship sailed, so it's not a big issue for me anymore. I'd vote for a Republican if they weren't purposefully divisive and had solutions beyond giving Amazon a tax break even if they were pro life.
[For Christ's sake, the Gettysburg Address was shorter than my reply.]
Yes, that sentence was horrendous, accidentally missing words. Sorry. And not very nice. But still accurate (if you can squint through it), I'm afraid.
Why? People who see Trump for what he is - one of the easiest feats in human history - don't need to look in the mirror. The Trumpers do. That simple. While all Trump voters obviously are not morans (accepted LRC spelling) in all aspects of life, at a minimum, in a civic sense they're obviously being far worse than simple morans. Democracies can go out the window. Trump wants to do that, and he has far, far too many supporters who are apparently OK with that.
If I got paid to run campaigns, I'd spend a lot of time thinking about the "Why?" of that. But I'm just a citizen, who used to be reasonably proud of this country. A whole lot of that has gone out the window as I see 20-40% who LIKE him, and nearly 50% who are willing to risk him fundamentally changing the country for the worse.
Lastly, compared to Trump's incredible flaws, him "taking it like a champ" in front of a crowd is completely meaningless. He could do that every single day and Biden could hide in the White House every single day, and it would mean nothing to me. Nor, I believe, should it mean anything to you or anyone else.
It's very gracious of you to apologize, but also unnecessary, as I took no offense. Feel free to be honest in your scrutiny, just as you have been in your reply.
Today is not a good day not to be proud of America, but...you are entitled to feel however you like. What changed? Or what has to, in order to restore your faith in this country?
Solid post...but, Mexico is sending us rapists. What's wrong with that interpretation? Nobody is concerned about the good people coming, but The People must know the entire story and nobody else is telling it. That's why he is important.
Meanwhile, Trump shows up at a NASCAR race to take attention away from the military on Memorial Day weekend. Then incorrectly salutes during Amazing Grace, he probably thinks it’s the National Anthem. He is an absolute embarrassment.
Meanwhile, Trump shows up at a NASCAR race to take attention away from the military on Memorial Day weekend. Then incorrectly salutes during Amazing Grace, he probably thinks it’s the National Anthem. He is an absolute embarrassment.
Sleepy Joe catching Zzzzz's during today's Memorial Day event. His medical team didn't drug him up enough.
Solid post...but, Mexico is sending us rapists. What's wrong with that interpretation? Nobody is concerned about the good people coming, but The People must know the entire story and nobody else is telling it. That's why he is important.
The framing of the issue is important to me. Is Mexico actually sending rapists? Like the government of Mexico? They're like hey this guy raped someone so we're gonna send them to America. That doesn't make a lot of sense but if that were true, I'd prefer a more delicate approach on the issue. A more diplomatic approach. I just like my leader to not be so volatile.
I have made a monumental discovery in understanding Trump.We all now about the projection of course. But if we dissect the statement below we must only conclude that Trump simply doesn’t understand the words he uses. He throws around terms hundreds of times that a child understands. But he doesn’t understand. But he feels it is his call to redefine any word as he sees fit.
When you’re a star, they let you do it.
REPORTER: Why do you keep calling Joe Biden a criminal? TRUMP: “He is a criminal. He got caught. Read his laptop. And do you know who's a criminal? MEDIA IS A CRIMINAL FOR NOT REPORTING IT.”
You really don't understand Trump. You have posted 1000s of posts about Trump and 100% have been negative and very infantile with calling him names and other pejoratives. Other than that - great job! Two thumbs up!
Solid post...but, Mexico is sending us rapists. What's wrong with that interpretation? Nobody is concerned about the good people coming, but The People must know the entire story and nobody else is telling it. That's why he is important.
The framing of the issue is important to me. Is Mexico actually sending rapists? Like the government of Mexico? They're like hey this guy raped someone so we're gonna send them to America. That doesn't make a lot of sense but if that were true, I'd prefer a more delicate approach on the issue. A more diplomatic approach. I just like my leader to not be so volatile.
The guy in Florida who killed wife and daughter was an illegal with 2 murder convictions back in Mexico. Of course CNN et Al. Never said he was an illegal. No they described as a Floridian. Mainstream media is as bad as it gets.
