Just like old times wrote:
Just like the old thread....as soon as you think this story has run its course it takes on a new surge.
How can it not go on when you have the likes of Ernest, jesseriley, doubler and triguru with their elaborate conspiracy theories.
The crazies are bringing it hard.
Just like old times wrote:
Just like the old thread....as soon as you think this story has run its course it takes on a new surge.
As countless other posters have noted, endurance athletes don't like cheaters. We are obsessed with training, running legends, and all the stories that go with them. I have read some running bios, once a runner, and other running related books countless times. They serve as continued motivation. For all the other posters simply suggesting it is a nothing issue, the entire sport is based upon countless hours of self-improvement through training. So when someone short cuts the process with drugs or worse, cutting the course, people are going to be upset.
I hopped on here after weeks without checking it out and I read the triathlete article about Julie Miller. It is almost a mirror image of the FM saga without the super tragic ending. Cheat on the highest levels and expect to get scrutinized as that is what happens to legitimate winners as well! People want to know, 'how did you do that?' It is not simply about the result, but what did you do to get that result. The journey to get there is the real story. In most cases we get awed by intense training sessions, but intermingled in there every once in a while we get imposters. Given the sweat equity put in by most, it is never going to be well received when you find out it was a faux performance.
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Who ‘s your daddy wrote:
Smoove wrote:
I think he’s simply highlighting the fact that there may be a bit of excessive drama and handwringing going on. The Meza family isn’t doing anything other than local damage control.
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A man killed himself and his family shows excessive drama. And that’s a problem for you?
Get real.
I’m a bad daddy. I misunderstood. Apologies to you smoove.
I can only guess that these fools expect Frank to apologize from the grave.
Grab a Ouija board folks. We’re gonna have a seance and settle this once and for all.
Of course they will need to remove their tin foil hats to be able to commune with spirits of runners past.
Not Even Close wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Going on and off the course to hit the 5K mats is just crazy and Meza might end up being the only one that ever did that.
You were going really good until you dropped this line in there. It happens nearly every race. He just happened to be very good at the math.
I find it hard to believe that others could take it to the level Meza did. Jane Seo merely cut across the course on an out and back I guess Rossi's qualifier didn't have timing chips? Meza's scheme involved transportation logistics to get to each 5K, timing it just right and leaving and returning from the course 16 times.
And even with all that effort it was still very risky. I'm surprised a volunteer or another runner didn't seem him come back on the course and report him to race officials.
You've actually heard of someone doing the same thing at marathons at the level of CIM or LAM?
Endless idiocy wrote:
Just like old times wrote:
Just like the old thread....as soon as you think this story has run its course it takes on a new surge.
How can it not go on when you have the likes of Ernest, jesseriley, doubler and triguru with their elaborate conspiracy theories.
The crazies are bringing it hard.
Not long ago, Meza sympathisers defended his record-setting efforts and attempted to squelch inquiry by ridiculing and shaming those who thought to challenge or investigate.
Despite this, Frank was eventually exposed for what he was - a methodical, long-time cheat.
Seems the "crazies" and "elaborate conspiracy theories" weren't.
Now, with posts like the one above (and worse), Meza sympathisers are still trying to sweep this under through bullying insult.
We've seen no honesty from Meza's family (and some of his camp), who still deny his cheating, who initially denied his suicide, and who now blame-shift that suicide as attributed to ruthless harassment by an "internet mob" (and not to Frank's long history of questionable actions), and who now seek some kind of legal redress.
Frank's running garnered many admirers and supporters; strangers, friends, training partners, co-workers, coaching subjects, and, foremost, his family. Some must have crowded course sidelines to spectate and cheer. And saw what? No one? Frank shuffle by in 8 to 9-minute miles? Frank on a bike? Frank off course?
Meza cheated in almost every race, cycling the course at times. Where did the bike(s) come from? How did they get there? Were they transported after? If bikes were being bought or moved, that might have required assistance, drawn attention, or seemed irregular.
Meza was married for something like 40-odd years. His wife must have known him inside and out.
Just as Meza's cheating itself once seemed improbable, let me suggest what should also be obvious; some close to Frank must have helped, known, or ought to have known.
It would seem more improbable they didn't than did.
Who’s your daddy wrote:
I’m a bad daddy. I misunderstood. Apologies to you smoove.
I can only guess that these fools expect Frank to apologize from the grave.
Grab a Ouija board folks. We’re gonna have a seance and settle this once and for all.
Of course they will need to remove their tin foil hats to be able to commune with spirits of runners past.
Alas, the cyber bullying I’ve been subjected to! How shall I ever go on????
(No problem man.)
By all accounts, Rosie Ruiz had a tough life and nothing is written about it being bad prior to Boston. Had Frank chose not to come clean as was Rosie's approach, would his life from here on out been just as miserable? I suspect it would have been much worse in the day of Facebook, Twitter, and 24 hour news. Of course, confession is good for the soul and perhaps with that approach some/enough of his friends would have forgiven him the transgression. He chose not to find out what the future held even though all the friends now know of his fake times anyway (whether they acknowledge it or not they still know).
?????? wrote:
By all accounts, Rosie Ruiz had a tough life and nothing is written about it being bad prior to Boston. Had Frank chose not to come clean as was Rosie's approach, would his life from here on out been just as miserable? I suspect it would have been much worse in the day of Facebook, Twitter, and 24 hour news. Of course, confession is good for the soul and perhaps with that approach some/enough of his friends would have forgiven him the transgression. He chose not to find out what the future held even though all the friends now know of his fake times anyway (whether they acknowledge it or not they still know).
Just about any athlete in any sport that tests positive for a PED denies it. Those athletes are winning championships and big contracts. All Meza did before the final bust was to bump a few geezers back a place. He never received any money from his cheating. Why was is it so important to some people on LR that he didn't admit his guilt and his family won't either?
Because course cutting is much, much worse than taking PEDs. With PEDs, you actually still do the whole course.
Plus Meza's cheating was at least a decade long and probably much longer than that if the internet had records.
Really Puzzled wrote:
Because course cutting is much, much worse than taking PEDs. With PEDs, you actually still do the whole course.
Plus Meza's cheating was at least a decade long and probably much longer than that if the internet had records.
Since Cierpinski didn't cut the course, Shorter is cool with him having drug cheated in 1976? He should be less upset than 4-hour guy, in the 70-year old division, that finished 2nd to Meza?
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Since Cierpinski didn't cut the course, Shorter is cool with him having drug cheated in 1976? He should be less upset than 4-hour guy, in the 70-year old division, that finished 2nd to Meza?
This is grade A whataboutery.
Just like old times wrote:
Just like the old thread....as soon as you think this story has run its course it takes on a new surge.
Haven't followed the thread but checked the last couple pages and didn't see anything new. Can you summarize what new thing came up?
A deepstate conspiracy exists in the hobby jogger marathon cheating world. Just as Frank was about to reveal the coverup hewas pushed off a bridge to make it look like a suicide, to keep him and his family quiet.
LRC tinfoil hat guys have uncovered this and are carefully discussing next steps.
Big news was the passing of Rosie Ruiz only four days after, a story that went viral from here (even though it took a month to get it out there) & showed widespread & continuing fascination with marathon cheating. Not to mention it showed the personal consequences: a very sad next chapter to their lives. Yet people still line up to fulfill these roles.
Hardly welcome news for the cheaters & was their enablers.
jesseriley wrote:
Least I didn’t wait 25 years to start whining about it, then say there’s no evidence. That’s your style.
Please leave Smoove alone. Don't you have that much self-control, or has he gotten in your head and you need professional help?
It’s okay, man. Jesse seems to need an outlet.
(Although, to be honest, I have no idea what he’s talking about here. )
Smoove wrote:
It’s okay, man. Jesse seems to need an outlet.
(Although, to be honest, I have no idea what he’s talking about here. )
I'm glad you've got a great attitude about it, but why haven't the brothers just banned him? It is clearly cyber bullying as he appears to be a sick pit bull who latches on to every comment you make and comes back with bizarre comments. Seriously, this guy is out there!
He’s an unusual dude, but, to be fair, I did bring him up first in the last couple of days (referencing the emotional drama and handwringing he and others seem to be engaged in).
I mostly just wish he’d be more accurate and coherent in his attempts.
Smoove wrote:
... to be fair, I did bring him up first in the last couple of days
Can't be more honest than this. Can almost hear Rambo coming out and saying "I drew first blood".
In a nutshell, most people dislike cheaters. Some more than others. Arguing among ourselves as to what level of dislike is justified feels a little silly.