Are "flat-earthers" an actual thing?

Legit question wrote:

Bart Rutan wrote:

Also explain why you pretended that I didn't mean the Amundsen Scott station. Do you think it exists on your map?

I typed in "South Pole, Antarctica" on Google Earth and it went directly to Volstok Station. Try it yourself. Again, on the flat earth model the ice wall surrounds the whole plane. The South Pole can be put on any point on that ring. It has no distinction.

Make your point and we can debate further. Thanks.

I said the "mythical" South Pole station meaning the Amundsen Scott one. Google it and pick a spot for it.

Ok, I will check Amundsen Scott and report back later...

On the fence wrote:

As someone who has read this thread and has pretty good grasp on all the bro-science mentioned, here are my thoughts

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3. I was having trouble with the flat earth map and the Sun's path but IF the Sun is much closer to us than previously taught, then it could be possible

We've known the distance to the sun (to within an order of magnitude) for over 2500 years and successive calculations have only improved on that number. It's millions of miles away.

5. How is there not one photo of our planet if we have mastered space exploration. That is a big question mark in my book.

There are many. If you don't trust the government, then what about Elon Musk? He tweeted a picture taken by a Falcon 9 rocket. The Earth is in the background. I'm not an expert, but it looks round.

As a newly converted flat earther, allow me to answer this one...there is no need to pick a spot for it, since this is all a hoax. These pictures were actually taken about 15 miles northeast of Fargo, N.D. Have you been there to see it for yourself? Its all lies...

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Thank you. I should have included 'and you're ok with shamelessly misrepresenting the nature of preceding discourse'.

Oh my knees wrote:

You're right. Globalist a have done that throughout this thread.

It's round, dammit.

And the universe is round too. Everything has a top and a bottom. What goes up must come down. Z axis baby.

Legit question wrote:

Dum, dum, dum, dum, duuuum wrote:

4k ultra HD of the Earth being spherical (globe):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_-ZVBqU7L8

Also,

There is absolutely no proof, not one photo that the Earth is flat.

NASA has provided many fake photos of the "ACTORnauts". The Pete Conrad photo which I mentioned earlier is a smoking gun. Again, Apollo 12 had two men on the "moon" and one in orbit of the "moon". Why does Conrad's helmet show two people in the reflection? They screwed up, don't fall for NASA bullshit.

This is 4k video - not a photo.

In response to your other "question": In the famous photo you are obviously referencing, Aldrin's helmet reflection shows...

Aldrin's arm

Aldrin's shadow

Armstrong taking the picture with the camera mounted to his chest. The 2 people on the moon are Aldrin and Armstrong and the 2 people reflected in Aldrin's visor are Aldrin and Armstrong.

Ta-dah!

Legit question wrote:

Ok, I will check Amundsen Scott and report back later...

I am a bit concerned that you don't seem to know where anything is in the World regardless of its shape.

DontFeedTheTroll wrote:

On the fence wrote:

As someone who has read this thread and has pretty good grasp on all the bro-science mentioned, here are my thoughts

...

3. I was having trouble with the flat earth map and the Sun's path but IF the Sun is much closer to us than previously taught, then it could be possible

We've known the distance to the sun (to within an order of magnitude) for over 2500 years and successive calculations have only improved on that number. It's millions of miles away.

5. How is there not one photo of our planet if we have mastered space exploration. That is a big question mark in my book.

There are many. If you don't trust the government, then what about Elon Musk? He tweeted a picture taken by a Falcon 9 rocket. The Earth is in the background. I'm not an expert, but it looks round.

Don't you globalists read what I posted earlier? Apparently not. Pay attention, you are beginning to repeat yourselves.

"NASA’s astronomical figures always sound perfectly precise, but heliocentrists have historically been notorious for regularly and drastically changing them to suit their various models. For instance, in his time Nicolas Copernicus calculated the Sun’s distance from Earth to be 3,391,200 miles. The next century Johannes Kepler decided it was actually 12,376,800 miles away. Issac Newton once said, “It matters not whether we reckon it 28 or 54 million miles distant for either would do just as well!” How scientific!? Benjamin Martin calculated between 81 and 82 million miles, Thomas Dilworth claimed 93,726,900 miles, John Hind stated positively 95,298,260 miles, Benjamin Gould said more than 96 million miles, and Christian Mayer thought it was more than 104 million! Nowadays they have settled around 93 million for the time-being."

Those pics from Elon Musk's rocket were taken with a fisheye lens which distorts the view. Try again.

Pete Conrad's pic, is the what I referred to. Aldrin was not on The Apollo 12 mission. Try again.

Dum, dum, dum, dum, duuuum wrote:

Legit question wrote:

NASA has provided many fake photos of the "ACTORnauts". The Pete Conrad photo which I mentioned earlier is a smoking gun. Again, Apollo 12 had two men on the "moon" and one in orbit of the "moon". Why does Conrad's helmet show two people in the reflection? They screwed up, don't fall for NASA bullshit.

This is 4k video - not a photo.

In response to your other "question": In the famous photo you are obviously referencing, Aldrin's helmet reflection shows...

Aldrin's arm

Aldrin's shadow

Armstrong taking the picture with the camera mounted to his chest. The 2 people on the moon are Aldrin and Armstrong and the 2 people reflected in Aldrin's visor are Aldrin and Armstrong.

Ta-dah!

What were Aldrin and Armstrong doing on the moon during the Apollo 12 mission. Did they leave them behind or something?

these guys ... wrote:

TIL two things

1. You can support almost any theory, if you don't mind making increasingly convoluted explanations, and you dismiss every piece of evidence disproving your theory as a hoax ... or at least the ones you don't ignore.

2. People actually do this.

I guess I didn't really 'learn' either, so much as I 'gained an appreciation' for them.

Also the fact that I read all 30 pages is indefensible. But I did really like the Asimov bit. That guy was awesome.

I'll take credit for posting the Asimov essay entry so, thanks! It was a great article. Asimov was a good si fi writer because he knew physics and at the same time could think 'outside the box', or globe, or whatever.

I'd still like to hear a serious response from the flat earth people as to why a telescope on an equatorial properly tracks stars, given that the design of the mount is to compensate for a rotation of the Earth around an axis.

Legit question wrote:

Pete Conrad's pic, is the what I referred to. Aldrin was not on The Apollo 12 mission. Try again.

This one:

little-whoo wrote:

Dum, dum, dum, dum, duuuum wrote:

This is 4k video - not a photo.

In response to your other "question": In the famous photo you are obviously referencing, Aldrin's helmet reflection shows...

Aldrin's arm

Aldrin's shadow

Armstrong taking the picture with the camera mounted to his chest. The 2 people on the moon are Aldrin and Armstrong and the 2 people reflected in Aldrin's visor are Aldrin and Armstrong.

Ta-dah!

What were Aldrin and Armstrong doing on the moon during the Apollo 12 mission. Did they leave them behind or something?

That's right. It was a rescue mission! Conrad saved Aldrin and Armstrong, that the ticket. Lol

I am also a big Asimov fan. Read several of his short stories and books. One of the words he liked to use a lot was "sardonic". He even wrote a short story for Runners World back in the day about a genetically engineered runner. Good read too. Ok, back to the debate....Bart is next on my list

Dum, dum, dum, dum, duuuum wrote:

Legit question wrote:

Pete Conrad's pic, is the what I referred to. Aldrin was not on The Apollo 12 mission. Try again.

This one:

http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/shared/npr/styles/x_large/nprshared/201407/332893363.jpg

That's NOT the pic I talked about. This is the one:

Try again. Never mind, I win this round. Find something else to debate.

Why are the Musk photo and Baumgarter photos always dismissed as being taken with wide angle or fisheye lenses? How do you know that?

Unless I'm mistaken, haven't pulots cirnavigated the globe with a few refueling stops? Doesn't that solve everything?

Today, on my run, I ran up and down numerous hills. Therefore, the earth is not "flat." Your welcome.