ernest 1978 wrote:
How can you be so uninformed?
https://diverseeducation.com/article/191074/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Step_Act
Decent post. I am glad to see that though Trump was skeptical of the First Step Act (per the wiki article) he was able to be convinced to support it.
+1 for your side, I am glad these went through.
Agingrunner wrote:
Thanks George for your 2017 article discussing the 2016 election in which we were told over and over again that the Russians were interfering with our election. Ie voter fraud. Glad we got that straight.
Contrary to what you may have heard in the alley, reading will not grow hair on the palm of your hands. Try reading the article 'then' comment. Multiple sources, conservative and liberal say widespread cheating cannot occur with the safeguards in place. They found 30 cases of fraud per 1 billion votes.
alternate opinion wrote:
Agingrunner wrote:
CNN told us over and over again how the Russians stole the election from Hillary and gave it to Trump. Must be true. Now, back to talking about dead people voting.
Do have a citation for that? Maybe the reason you feel the media is so biased is because you're raging against a strawman.
The Mueller report proved that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. I don't know how anyone could quantify the impact though, so concluding that it was stolen from Hillary would be disingenuous (at least that is my view until proven otherwise).
Can you prove a source or two from CNN saying that the Russian stole the election from Hillary and gave it to Trump? When I do a quick search I find more factual, measured language than you're claiming. Example:
"For nearly two years, special counsel Robert Mueller investigated Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election and whether anyone from President Donald Trump’s campaign was involved." That's not even close to what you're claiming.
From one of the top Google searches:
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/politics/russia-investigations/#/investigations/specialCounsel/allI'm willing to be proven wrong if you can show me.
I watch CNN and Fox almost equally. Fox denied the claims. CNN backed the claims. I don't know about your Googling skills. I really don't care either. So you are saying no collusion?
george c wrote:
Agingrunner wrote:
Thanks George for your 2017 article discussing the 2016 election in which we were told over and over again that the Russians were interfering with our election. Ie voter fraud. Glad we got that straight.
Contrary to what you may have heard in the alley, reading will not grow hair on the palm of your hands. Try reading the article 'then' comment. Multiple sources, conservative and liberal say widespread cheating cannot occur with the safeguards in place. They found 30 cases of fraud per 1 billion votes.
Alley. Hair on palms. No voter fraud possible.
Agingrunner wrote:
Alley. Hair on palms. No voter fraud possible.
See, that wasn't so hard.
Or maybe it was.
I'll be here all week!
george c wrote:
Agingrunner wrote:
Thanks George for your 2017 article discussing the 2016 election in which we were told over and over again that the Russians were interfering with our election. Ie voter fraud. Glad we got that straight.
Contrary to what you may have heard in the alley, reading will not grow hair on the palm of your hands. Try reading the article 'then' comment. Multiple sources, conservative and liberal say widespread cheating cannot occur with the safeguards in place. They found 30 cases of fraud per 1 billion votes.
I see Letsrun is doing its usual bit for American democracy by keeping up threads that postulate unsubstantiated claims by the Trump Party that undermine public confidence in their elections. If it comes from the Right, then that's ok.
Released today.
A committee within the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) that worked on protecting U.S. voting systems released a firmly worded statement calling the Nov. 3 elections “the most secure in American history” and contradicting any claims of widespread voter fraud.
“There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised,” the committee members wrote. “While we know there are many unfounded claims and opportunities for misinformation about the process of our elections, we can assure you we have the utmost confidence in the security and integrity of our elections, and you should too. When you have questions, turn to elections officials as trusted voices as they administer elections.”
Armstronglivs wrote:
george c wrote:
Contrary to what you may have heard in the alley, reading will not grow hair on the palm of your hands. Try reading the article 'then' comment. Multiple sources, conservative and liberal say widespread cheating cannot occur with the safeguards in place. They found 30 cases of fraud per 1 billion votes.
I see Letsrun is doing its usual bit for American democracy by keeping up threads that postulate unsubstantiated claims by the Trump Party that undermine public confidence in their elections. If it comes from the Right, then that's ok.
LRCs version of Rachel maddow is back. Tell us the truth Rachel so we can settle this. In the 2020 US presidential election, have the democratic party and or it's minions committed voter fraud? We can discuss the magnitude of it also?
I saw that earlier. Already been debunked.
Agingrunner wrote:
I watch CNN and Fox almost equally. Fox denied the claims. CNN backed the claims. I don't know about your Googling skills. I really don't care either. So you are saying no collusion?
Awesome, so you can't be bothered to cite what you say. Then it's not worth my time to continue the conversation either. Good day to you sir.
alternate opinion wrote:
Agingrunner wrote:
I watch CNN and Fox almost equally. Fox denied the claims. CNN backed the claims. I don't know about your Googling skills. I really don't care either. So you are saying no collusion?
Awesome, so you can't be bothered to cite what you say. Then it's not worth my time to continue the conversation either. Good day to you sir.
angingrunner "feels" CNN was very unfair to Trump. So that's what he remembers. The feeling of being mad. He won't find facts.
Just like he "feels" that covid is nbd.
or he "feels" like the Demmy-crats cheated.
What do the kids say? All the feels.
Agingrunner wrote:
I saw that earlier. Already been debunked.
Tell us how.
Or don't bother, as all officials says the election is fair and square and that we know that this whole thread is made to confuse just like the all those other threads as well as the lawsuits that not the Republicans, mind you, but the "leader" is wagering.
America first?
Donald first, always.
raisins wrote:
I voted Biden and have followed the election like a hawk since things kicked off. I have no doubt that fraud took place and is likely responsible for bidens victory.
The "Democrats overwhelmingly mailed in" cannot fully explain what we have witnessed over the last couple of days.
Look at how hard the left fought trump for four years. You really don't think they would have Plan B in case of a scenario where the initial numbers started to roll in, in favor of Trump? Hell no. They weren't going to lose.
What impact did the boarding up of buildings have on November 3 voters? They weren't being boarded up because of potential republican violence. After 4 years of Russian interference allegations and more recently voter suppression it all magically disappears. Biden getting 10 million votes more than Obama is also very hard to believe.
PresidentTrump wrote:
raisins wrote:
I voted Biden and have followed the election like a hawk since things kicked off. I have no doubt that fraud took place and is likely responsible for bidens victory.
The "Democrats overwhelmingly mailed in" cannot fully explain what we have witnessed over the last couple of days.
Look at how hard the left fought trump for four years. You really don't think they would have Plan B in case of a scenario where the initial numbers started to roll in, in favor of Trump? Hell no. They weren't going to lose.
What impact did the boarding up of buildings have on November 3 voters? They weren't being boarded up because of potential republican violence. After 4 years of Russian interference allegations and more recently voter suppression it all magically disappears. Biden getting 10 million votes more than Obama is also very hard to believe.
Fellows, I know this might be a very difficult time for you, and perhaps i can help. I googled something that might help, so hear me out:
"Instead of dwelling upon what went wrong, try to focus your attention on what you can do right next time. Remind yourself that this too shall pass. Try to let go of what you cannot change and do your best to be respectful toward whomever or whatever has defeated you."
And consider that the most important thing we, each and every one of us, possess is our character and our good standing in the eyes of others. How do you think this inability to accept the outcomes makes you look to them?
See, perhaps it is best to change your focus. You are not doing yourself any good. And trust me on this - it is not a good look. Not at all.
ernest 1978 wrote:
alternate opinion wrote:
Any response to this?
I am not a conservative but nothing will convince me the election was legit. I think there was a lot of fraud but we don't have checks in place to catch it. And it's nearly impossible to catch fraud after the fact.
What I am most concerned with is what happened before the election. Clear election interference by the media, tech companies, democrats in congress (phony impeachment and refusing to pass a coronavirus stimulus), hollywood propaganda, and many more. Hundreds of examples of every establishment being out to hurt Trump and help Biden.
That's not a democracy. That's the "elites" picking their favorite and guaranteeing a win.
Just an example - My niece is in college and she said she was voting for Biden because she saw on CNN that Trump is white supremacist. That's demonstrably not true. People are being brainwashed by the "elites." It's a threat to our democracy.
Or, you could choose to believe the Department of Homeland Security:
https://www.axios.com/cisa-election-security-trump-a385868b-512a-4449-addd-4591829a4aef.htmlhttps://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrolBut, don't let facts get in your way…
Just Another Run of the Mill ex-D1 er wrote:
ernest 1978 wrote:
I am not a conservative but nothing will convince me the election was legit. I think there was a lot of fraud but we don't have checks in place to catch it. And it's nearly impossible to catch fraud after the fact.
What I am most concerned with is what happened before the election. Clear election interference by the media, tech companies, democrats in congress (phony impeachment and refusing to pass a coronavirus stimulus), hollywood propaganda, and many more. Hundreds of examples of every establishment being out to hurt Trump and help Biden.
That's not a democracy. That's the "elites" picking their favorite and guaranteeing a win.
Just an example - My niece is in college and she said she was voting for Biden because she saw on CNN that Trump is white supremacist. That's demonstrably not true. People are being brainwashed by the "elites." It's a threat to our democracy.
Or, you could choose to believe the Department of Homeland Security:
https://www.axios.com/cisa-election-security-trump-a385868b-512a-4449-addd-4591829a4aef.htmlhttps://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrolBut, don't let facts get in your way…
32 pages of right wing bullsh*t on this thread alone. This site is eager to provide a platform for it.
Agingrunner wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I see Letsrun is doing its usual bit for American democracy by keeping up threads that postulate unsubstantiated claims by the Trump Party that undermine public confidence in their elections. If it comes from the Right, then that's ok.
LRCs version of Rachel maddow is back. Tell us the truth Rachel so we can settle this. In the 2020 US presidential election, have the democratic party and or it's minions committed voter fraud? We can discuss the magnitude of it also?
You think if you can keep talking about it it will come true. As if "by magic". (Now where have we heard that before?) No election official - from either side of the aisle - has backed up these claims, and neither has any court.
Okay, I'm trying to keep up.
So he would have us believe: the news is fake.
So he would have us believe: the virus is turning the corner and numbers only rising because of increased testing.
So he would now have us believing: that your vote is fake, too.
Can I just say: We f'g know the truth from your f'g lies, and lies are all that you be spewing for as long as we've known you. So STFU, step down, and stop treating everyone like some god damned idiots.