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61 years old

cancer

colectomy

2 knee surgeries

6 epidurals since 1977

Poor week with excuses. Poor excuses BUT

33.1 Miles

Mon: 5.1 mi

Tue: 3.1 mi.

Wed: 7.2 Mi 1:04.45

Thur: 2 mi.

Fri: 10.5 mi 1:34.15

Sat: 2.1..Went to pre-season Arizona Coyotes hockey game. (STH) Seat right on ice...Ran up steps in between period and a few other times.....walked a lot..real, real tired and trying to help out with parents still alive and nearing 100 years old.....just beat...

Sun: 3.1 mi.

LETS GO YOTES!!!!

Weather is pretty good for training; nicer temps and humidity.

M-rest(did half day before)

T-3.5

W-5 9 min pace

Th-Tai Chi and bike

F-5 at 9 pace

S-3.5 at 8:45 pace

Sun-9 miles trail 9 min pace

Next race 10 mile trail on Oct 15th.

Have a good week.

Wineglass Marathon report ...

First 13.1 in 1:41. Felt pretty good, but battled against an annoying and steady headwind on the point to point course. Otherwise good conditions.

Felt a bit shakier to about 19.

Really not good from 20-23. Had to stop to pee, thought it might be worse as my belly was flopping a bit.

23-25 was not nice. Not nice at all.

Last 2K I realized I could still potentially get a BQ ...

Ran as hard as I could. Made funny faces. Legs felt awful.

3:29:25. Not enough for Boston, but technically under the BQ standard. Oh well, I'm mostly okay with my return to the distance after a long break I can't register for 2018 Boston until next September anyway, so I'll run some more bigger miles and try to drop 5 minutes or so at a race this spring.

Be well!

C0l0rado wrote:

... I'll run some more bigger miles and try to drop 5 minutes or so at a race this spring.

You are right there. If you do the *exact* same training for the spring as you did for Wineglass, you will get in no sweat. Or you can train a *little* better and drop even more time. If you try to "improve" your training too much, that's when bad things happen.

Marksch: Lots of quality running this past week! Looking for sub-3 in the spring?

SCgal: Gotta like those 5K splits! Congratulations

racerdb: Awesome race in Syracuse

dhaaga: Congratulations on the overall win ... impressive time on a hilly course. Thanks for sharing the race details

C0l0rado: 7:43 pace through the half is impressive, especially with the headwind. Was that your goal pace? No rain during the race? Nice rally at the end to go sub-3:30. Do you think the Hanson plan worked for you, overall? Did you consume any carbohydrates during the marathon? I haven't during any training runs, but am wondering if I should carry something this coming Sunday. I'll drink Gatorade if they provide it on the course.

My week (with one to go before Marathon Sunday):

Monday: Off

Tuesday: 5 miles @ 8:30/mi

Wednesday: Off

Thursday: 4 miles @ 8:28/mi

Friday: Off

Saturday: Off

Sunday: 9 miles @ 7:43/mi

I strained my back on the job this week ... unfortunately that's been a frequent and often debilitating occurrence over the past 35 years. Took a mile or two into today's run for it to relax enough to not affect my gait ... too much, anyway. Hopefully it will be mostly mended by Sunday's marathon.

Happy trails, all!

-Allen

Week 278: 4 hours 27 minutes in 5 runs.

Mon - 60 min easy

Tue - 52 min with 3x hill

Wed - off

Thu - off

Fri - 60 min easy

Sat - 1 hr 25 min

Sun - 10 min easy

Tuesday was supposed to be 5x hill, but halfway through the 4th I strained my right calf. Classic medial gastrocnemius, grade-1. The hill fades to the left, and I was drifting so far left I was having trouble staying on the path. Weird. I have done hundreds of reps there and never had that happen before. With a tremendous effort I pulled myself back uphill to the right (maybe 20 steps), then felt a stabbing pain and instantly stopped running. Managed to walk the 5K home by going backwards up all the hills.

Wednesday and Thursday I didn't do much, just a little biking and walking.

Friday was actually fine, no discomfort whatsoever. Easy 7 miles in 60 minutes, including some uphill. Yeah, I know I am supposed to wait 10 days before resuming training, but I am one of those guys who just has to find out for myself.

Saturday I set out to do 1 hr 45 min at any pace. I started out walking and cautiously walked up every hill. Out was 5.5 miles in 60 min. On the way back I wanted to do it in 45 min. Everything was fine until a young guy passed me doing 7:30 miles and looking very relaxed. No, I did not speed up. What I did was look at his form and contrast it with mine. I noticed that his hips were very still. I also noticed that his calves were very relaxed, actually no muscle definition at all. Anyway, I changed my stride to remove all up-and-down hip motion. It felt easy, for about two minutes... at which point my right calf threw in the towel; locked up; done. Another long walk followed. At least this time I was able to go forwards up the hills.

Today was just a test. It wasn't as good as Friday, but it wasn't bad.

Next week I will just do more testing. The week after I will try to ease back into training.

Allen1959 wrote:

Marksch: Lots of quality running this past week! Looking for sub-3 in the spring?

I was wondering the same thing. But the speed workout was unnecessarily fast for that.

"C0l0rado: 7:43 pace through the half is impressive, especially with the headwind. Was that your goal pace? No rain during the race? Nice rally at the end to go sub-3:30. Do you think the Hanson plan worked for you, overall? Did you consume any carbohydrates during the marathon? I haven't during any training runs, but am wondering if I should carry something this coming Sunday. I'll drink Gatorade if they provide it on the course."

Was it perfect? No. I felt good through the half -- that was my main hope/plan. I think I just needed more miles in my legs to run the whole distance at the same speed. So my plan is (wait for it...) run more.

Did I have a great summer of running and keep healthy? Yes.

I ate 3 gels during the run. I think thy helped !I also ate a ton of pasta, bagels, and my mom's homemade bread in the 24 hours leading up to the race.

C0l0rado,

Sorry you didn't get your BQ. Wind was not strong today, but present and in an unusual direction for us: S-SW, when the course pretty much goes S-SE. But it's been worse!

You'll get it next time!

Did you carb-load before long runs during your training? The body tends to burn fat reserves at marathon pace, and I don't know about you, but I have enough fat to get pretty far. Too many carbs make me feel full and can produce some GI issues. I'll stop short of saying that carb-loading is over-rated, but I've had my best marathons with a fairly balanced but not large dinner, like a light pasta primavera without the heavy cream sauce.

Scott

Thanks! I'd say the wind was a bit of a battle but it's otherwise a very fast course and good weather conditions so I can't put too much on that stuff.

I felt good about the fueling strategy overall. Ain't nothing perfect but i think it was mostly just that 6 weeks of 55-miles weeks wasn't quite sufficient whereas 8 weeks of 60-miles weeks prolly would've earned me the 2 minutes or better of time needed.

I got an "age-graded" 3:09:12" whatever the heck that is supposed to mean.

My thought in the last 5 miles was "How in the heck are these fat, old people beating me?" But I'm sure someone else was looking at me and thinking the exact same thing!

Congratulations Dave.

Mon. 2 x 30 min walks with 15 kg weight vest. 35 min kayak session on our now full lake. Another 30 min walk with the weighted vest.

Tue. A comfortable 1 h 24 min spin in the forests on the mountain bike.

Wed. 7 km run on easy forest trails 35 mins. Working kms 2, 4 and 6, 4.39 (uphill), 4.20, 4.28.

Thu. 3.6 km run, 240 metres of elevation gain 38 mins. 30 min kayak session on the lake.

Fri. 14 km run 1 h 34 m. 560 metres of elevation gain. 3 fairly pleasing sub 12 minute efforts up the rugged 1.5 km Pianta's Hill and finished off with a very quick 5.41 up the brutal 550 metre Roo Hill.

Sat. Easy 1 h 14 min mountain bike ride.

Sun. A quad killing 10 x Roo Hill. 11.4 km, 778 metres of elevation gain 1 hr 56 mins. Pretty slow going, very muddy and slippery.

The weather has been wild. Wind and torrential rain most days.

I seem to be running ok at the moment. Wednesday was just a lazy session of pickups but the pace was pleasing. Friday's climbs were strong and fast.

I have the 4 Peaks race in a month. There will be nowhere to hide over those 4 days.

Good Morning,

A Troll keeps having my contributions to this thread removed claiming I am a racist. I am not going to spend a lot of time dealing with this type of cyber harassment. So, if you do not see my contribution you will know why.

Igy

The Moderators are aware that your claims are untrue and your post will be removed.

lpm wrote:

You have made racist posts on other threads. Other than this single post, I have no desire to commiserate with you and am happy to see you removed from this thread.

The moderators are the ones deleting YOUR posts. Why do you think that is?Example: from the thread linking pics of Usain Bolt with different women...

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

What does he have against his own kind?

rainy monday morning and about to hit the roads for an active recovery jog...just read through everyon'e training and racing posts and just want to thank all contributors for the continued inspiration...solid!

I continue along in age 60 maintenance mode with a second consecutive 42 mile week...bookended with a pair of 8 mile progression runs and a long (for me) mid-week ten miler

have got no immediate racing plans as am traveling abroad in november (hong kong, saigon, hanoi) so just 'base building' at or near 40 mile weeks...remember when base building was 80 -90 mile weeks? i digress.

SO, I had a brainstorm a few days back that a reasonable benchmark would be 60 at 60...meaning running a mini-streak of 60 consecutive days with a minimum objective of 300 miles...the things we do to stay 'motivated', eh?

at any rate, wishing everyone a lot of fitness and adventure...until next time, 'train don't strain'

very best regards,

MF

lpm wrote:

The moderators are the ones deleting YOUR posts. Why do you think that is?

Example: from the thread linking pics of Usain Bolt with different women...

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

What does he have against his own kind?

Your the person stealing my handle and making these posts. And if I can ever find out who you are you are going to have a lawsuit on your hands.

Igy

Just wondering, how does one steal a registered handle?

elviejo,

Lower case L for the upper case l.

My daughter is a successful litigator. There are laws on the books for cyber harassment. This person has engaged in this harassment against me for months now. If I can identify, I will engage in legal action.

Igy

I've been part of this thread for a lot longer than you have. If there's an impersonator here, it's you.

I've already replied to this troll more than I said I would. As long as this thread supports racist posters, I'll be out.