Robert Young fakes run across America

CoachKev wrote:

If this all turns out to be bad

Kev, pull ya head out of the sand mate, it's already turned bad. Too many things that can't be answered from the past and present, there's a bad smell around and you and Andy seem to be the only ones on here who can't, or don't want to, smell it.

And that's just one of the many problems isn't it, your definition of verifiable? You seem to suggest that two or three people vouching for each other means verified, while that could easily be called collusion. Ever heard of these two before?http://www.marathoninvestigation.com/2016/05/examination-of-world-record-marathoners.html?m=1http://www.marathoninvestigation.com/2016/05/world-record-marathoners-part-2-larry.html?m=1So all this "verifiable" history that Rob has is coming into question, and for very obvious reasons. I don't except you to understand though, but please cut the crap about him being a nice guy and any other "sentimental" support. He's going for a serious record and so far almost every single place where poking it smells like $hit. He didn't just walk out of his house one day and decided he'd run across the country with a fanny pack on. He's planned this whole thing out with a support crew and its costly. All that planning and no continuous video or other corroborating evidence?

You know I hope people start following and monitoring everything and he has to finish the rest running his real pace of 10-15 min miles. He actually sucks it up and finishes and he ended up going it all for nothing because he cheated. That would be a pretty funny way to end the story.

CoachKev wrote:

If this all turns out to be bad ...

(I'm ignoring all the constant ad hominem whining that seem to fill 95% of CoachKev's posts, and focusing on facts.)

What possible explanation could there be for the ludicrous desert story that would be "legitimate" in any way to any normal person?

Or for the ludicrous manually-stitched together GPS tracker data?

Or for the van trawling slowly along with nobody actually running outside?

I'm not asking for you to prove he actually ran at all. I am just asking hypothetically to pretend Rob is some great runner, and try to imagine any explanation at all that would make any sense??

To be honest Kev I cannot see how the cycling or triathlon claims are true. Somebody found a result from the long course from 2004 and he was 10th of 15 in his age group. As an age group champs you don't really need to be elite to go. Lets be honest many age group qualifiers are club standard runners at best.

If he's claiming to have ridden for Milram that is also far fetched. They were World Tour level, with 2 riders in Zabel and Pettachi who won monuments. The idea that a british rider would have ridden on that team at that time without having proven himself at world U23 level or having won races at conti or pro conti level consistently is implausible. If you can get him to name his team and years to verify this claim it would be very useful.

I honestly do not believe he ever ran 30:47 for 10k. You have said it was from his younger tri days. But the tri results that are online show Robert Young to be a less than average runner. There is co-incidentally a 30:47 duathlon run leg, but it was only 7k, which seems in keeping with his standard now on PoT.

All this adds up to somebody who likes to exaggerate. That's a problem because a journey run is essentially unprovable if not independently witnessed. Crew don't count. So if we have to take his word and we can't trust his word then the whole endeavor cannot be believed.

That said he can clear it up by giving the years and teams he rode for and the location and year of his 10k PB. I don't know anybody who couldn't do that in either sport.

I'm asking for the details as I mentioned from the BTA and others

CoachKev wrote:

Thanks for continuing to follow this, and provide input about your experience with Rob. I posted my experience to get everyone's experience with him, and so far it seems I may be the only one with a negative experience. You bring up some questions about my story such as why I didn't flag down the RV, and as others have said, and I posted earlier, I tried to run up to the RV, they stopped, then drove away before I could talk to them. My purpose was not to call into question his history, or abilities. I just don't believe he is legitimately completing this attempt. Now, both Rob and myself are encouraging people to get out and run with him. So runners, get out there and see for yourselves!

Rob has asked why you would not make yourself known to the crew, why would you take the time to follow the van and not keep following it or stop the van and ask the relevent questions. He is very genuine and is happy to run with you and anyone else who cares to take the time to turn up. It does seem very strange that you have taken lots of time to start this whole thing and yet didn't follow up with more investigation. If I had gone out in the middle of the night and did what you had done I would have followed the van for ages, stopped them, asked questions, filmed the entire thing and actually made contact..

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So, when he ran up to the RV and it drove off, he was just supposed to keep running and eventually catch up to it when it slowed or stopped miles later?

I'm sure at that point they would have woken Rob and he'd be running in front of it and they'd say "oh yeah, he's been running the whole time, you just didn't see him for some reason".

Robert had added as a friend me some time back on FB

Messaged that i was looking to update PO10 with hsi results if he just game me race name and year run.

Someone did some research on that 10km 30:47 the only time he could find was during a dualthlon. So he ran 30:47

Only one problem - it was for 7km!

Just checked and someone has update his wiki

Still his 1:08 10 miler I mean half marathonj is still up and his 2:42 marathon and 5km time

CoachKev wrote:

Ultraboy wrote:

I'm thinking Irish Club. Can at least confirm you are a real person for any doubters on here.

Well I went to school in Ireland and have played Petanque at international level, I've played in Ireland at school and have many connections over there as well as family. I began the process of starting the Irish Petanque association in 1987 but as I went back to the UK that got dropped and picked up by others in Ireland later on.

Not many people would know what a terrain is apart from other players hence my piste remark. I can give lots of other detauils to prove I am real and why on earth would I post my blog and remark on FB if I wanted to pretend to be someone else.

My gut tells me from the exchange between you too that you are one and the same. You must be new here, that's a terribly done classic LR trick

curiously interested wrote:

Or to put it another way. The 30K run leg of his 2004 triathlon was run at a pace of 8:14/mile.

https://www.athlinks.com/Athletes/114076336/Race/24188953/Details

Well, he claimed he was a slow runner during his triathlon days and would have to get ahead in the bike leg because he lost so much time in the run leg.

Then a miracle happened apparently.

CoachKev and apersson, thanks for contributing. We aren't trying to attack you, and it is good to hear that parts of what he has done previously, were done.

Unfortunately there are big issues with a lot of what he has claimed. If he runs three quarters of the way across America, that is impressive. But if he is claiming to have ran the whole way, and in fact he got a lift for a quarter, this is completely wrong. To run 3/4 is impressive, but I hope you can understand why people would be outraged if it is found that he took shortcuts.

Do either of you have any information on his half marathon pb? I couldn't find results for that anywhere, (or even his marathon pb)?

We aren't trying to condemn someone, but at the moment there seems lots of claims and the few bits of evidence don't help (video of RV moving slowly but there being no runner, GPS is in the vehicle, but showing up on trails vehicles can't go on, stories of how the days have gone (desert) that are 100% impossible).

Ultraboy wrote:

If he's claiming to have ridden for Milram that is also far fetched. They were World Tour level, with 2 riders in Zabel and Pettachi who won monuments. The idea that a british rider would have ridden on that team at that time without having proven himself at world U23 level or having won races at conti or pro conti level consistently is implausible. If you can get him to name his team and years to verify this claim it would be very useful.

So what's this all about, I know he's created the page himself but has he photo shopped the picture, or got himself Milram gear and got someone to photograph him riding past the crowd on the day before the race when they let hobby riders on the course, is it him on the bike, everything about this fella is weird.

TroLLminator wrote:

CoachKev wrote:

Well I went to school in Ireland and have played Petanque at international level, I've played in Ireland at school and have many connections over there as well as family. I began the process of starting the Irish Petanque association in 1987 but as I went back to the UK that got dropped and picked up by others in Ireland later on.

Not many people would know what a terrain is apart from other players hence my piste remark. I can give lots of other detauils to prove I am real and why on earth would I post my blog and remark on FB if I wanted to pretend to be someone else.

My gut tells me from the exchange between you too that you are one and the same. You must be new here, that's a terribly done classic LR trick

I think you are deluded, maybe all this Trump stuff has warped your minds. some people are genuine

TroLLminator wrote:

CoachKev wrote:

Well I went to school in Ireland and have played Petanque at international level, I've played in Ireland at school and have many connections over there as well as family. I began the process of starting the Irish Petanque association in 1987 but as I went back to the UK that got dropped and picked up by others in Ireland later on.

Not many people would know what a terrain is apart from other players hence my piste remark. I can give lots of other detauils to prove I am real and why on earth would I post my blog and remark on FB if I wanted to pretend to be someone else.

My gut tells me from the exchange between you too that you are one and the same. You must be new here, that's a terribly done classic LR trick

I'm clarifying in case you didn't get my joke, I know you are different posters.

The saga continues, as the 10k PB has been exposed as fraudulent. From now on, I can't take the guy's word for anything. I actually get the ridiculous story about his back to back to back marathons the day he decided to start running long distance. That's just crap you put in a book to sell. Of course non-Runner's and hobby joggers eat that stuff for bfast, but now Rob got too close to the sun. Rest assured anything about him online and during the rest of his xc ride will be picked apart to oblivion.

That wikimedia "Robert Young Cycling TT" photo is of German rider Enrico Poitschke in the Tour de France 2007 Prologue (in London):

https://www.flickr.com/photos/sibbald/753766618/in/photolist-9vUDFc-mXzPCe-mXzEag-mXzJug-mXzG9p-mXzNAx-mXzQCk-2bvJ2v-bcaNEz-dPzW4f-mo9PZV-goNfTN-goNg6G-fDERUB-mXA2va-jsDoQb-5hm1sx-29Bfyb-kfT4AT-2ais7D-gR4pu1-nqyJvv-4neuSA-ds7hjY-29L7pg-2ajaMd-5zXCve

Here is the starlist of that edition:

http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Tour_de_France_2007_Startlist

When is the DAILY RECORD going to pick this up and investigate?

rojo, don't you have connections? The Brits will eat this up. Send it to the reporter that did the Salazar bit.

DOWN WITH YOUNG. Fraud and should return all donations.

Slowly breaking at the seams. The story is beginning to fall apart for good ol Robert Young now.

Well Runners World fell for it all, so it must be true, nice comments from Kev at the end of the article which helps to authenticate him even more. Now about all this other stuff...nah, forget it, Rob's a good bloke.

http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/interview/the-big-interview-marathon-man-rob-young/14416.html

Another Cycling Fan wrote:

That wikimedia "Robert Young Cycling TT" photo is of German rider Enrico Poitschke in the Tour de France 2007 Prologue (in London):

https://www.flickr.com/photos/sibbald/753766618/in/photolist-9vUDFc-mXzPCe-mXzEag-mXzJug-mXzG9p-mXzNAx-mXzQCk-2bvJ2v-bcaNEz-dPzW4f-mo9PZV-goNfTN-goNg6G-fDERUB-mXA2va-jsDoQb-5hm1sx-29Bfyb-kfT4AT-2ais7D-gR4pu1-nqyJvv-4neuSA-ds7hjY-29L7pg-2ajaMd-5zXCve

Here is the starlist of that edition:

http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Tour_de_France_2007_Startlist

Oh dear!!!!! Never mind Rob's a good bloke.