He said anyone can still come out and observe/say hello/get photos. Just that he prefers not to have to chit chat with strangers for 16 hours a day. It’s understandable.
All he has to do is run, no ones asking him to chit chat.
You'd think someone running 60+miles a day would love company along for a few miles.
Especially given that many of us suspect him of cheating. But having people accompany him is tough because then he actually has to run the whole thing!
So wild that he cannot even run the last few days. But of course he can't. There's no way he can even run two hours of 8 minute k's at a 100 bpm verified heart rate. And he expects the world to believe him.
So wild that he cannot even run the last few days. But of course he can't. There's no way he can even run two hours of 8 minute k's at a 100 bpm verified heart rate. And he expects the world to believe him.
And all this time he’s been posing as a badass who can smoke and drink beer after 15 hours of running. Now he says he doesn’t have it in him to have people running with him, because it’s so HARD. Complete farce.
I must say I was a Goodge 'fan boy', genuinely inspired by his grit, his drive, and what seemed like an unrelenting determination to push through pain and adversity. Watching his daily runs gave me a sense of motivation that I hadn’t found elsewhere, it made me lace up and go that bit further, especially on the days I didn’t feel like it. But after following this thread over the past week, I’ve got to admit, it’s left a really bad taste in my mouth. I feel disillusioned, like I’ve been sold a version of events that may not be entirely real. If what’s being said is true, if the stats don’t line up, and there’s truth to the claims that some of these runs might’ve been fabricated or exaggerated, then it’s so disappointing.
Now I’m left questioning it all. If it turns out to be a con, it won’t just be a blow to his reputation, it’ll chip away at the very thing that makes running so special, honesty, struggle, and the raw satisfaction of showing up, kilometre after kilometre. And for those of us who found a bit of strength in his story, that would be a real shame.
I must say I was a Goodge 'fan boy', genuinely inspired by his grit, his drive, and what seemed like an unrelenting determination to push through pain and adversity. Watching his daily runs gave me a sense of motivation that I hadn’t found elsewhere, it made me lace up and go that bit further, especially on the days I didn’t feel like it. But after following this thread over the past week, I’ve got to admit, it’s left a really bad taste in my mouth. I feel disillusioned, like I’ve been sold a version of events that may not be entirely real. If what’s being said is true, if the stats don’t line up, and there’s truth to the claims that some of these runs might’ve been fabricated or exaggerated, then it’s so disappointing.
Now I’m left questioning it all. If it turns out to be a con, it won’t just be a blow to his reputation, it’ll chip away at the very thing that makes running so special, honesty, struggle, and the raw satisfaction of showing up, kilometre after kilometre. And for those of us who found a bit of strength in his story, that would be a real shame.
There are so many better role models for you than this clown. Lots of athletes out there are actually doing incredible things, not just models faking them for social media.
There are so many better role models for you than this clown. Lots of athletes out there are actually doing incredible things, not just models faking them for social media.
Why does anyone need a "role model"? Go out and run then do it then next day, why would what anyone else does for publicity matter?
My post was answering the very specific allegation that Goodge's pace slowed significantly in the second half of the day when under WC's observation. Given that is what I was responding to, and no one has refuted the evidence I've presented, I take you all accept that was a bare-faced lie.
I have never once defended Goodge, or claimed he isn't cheating. I simply don't know, like everyone else. But the black and white group hysteria on this thread means that unless you are an active participant in the witch-hunt you must be "pro-Goodge" and there's no room for challenge or debate. It's pretty unedifying.
sorry, i should have been more clear. i was talkng about HR. Those posted days show normal high hr, now if oyu add that he was going slower pace, then that is an evenbiogger nail in his coffin. you have shown that when people run with him, he goes slower, the same data shows his heart rate is much higher at the same time. busted.
Serious question for the haters: If today was the first day he was forced to run in earnest, with visitors "from start to finish" who randomly came out, then why is his HR still in the low 100's for the day? Shouldn't it be up to 150 for the whole day as you claim?
Because, recently, he has learnt to keep his real watch in the machine at all times except the early 30km when he starts. and some times at the end of the day.
I must say I was a Goodge 'fan boy', genuinely inspired by his grit, his drive, and what seemed like an unrelenting determination to push through pain and adversity. Watching his daily runs gave me a sense of motivation that I hadn’t found elsewhere, it made me lace up and go that bit further, especially on the days I didn’t feel like it. But after following this thread over the past week, I’ve got to admit, it’s left a really bad taste in my mouth. I feel disillusioned, like I’ve been sold a version of events that may not be entirely real. If what’s being said is true, if the stats don’t line up, and there’s truth to the claims that some of these runs might’ve been fabricated or exaggerated, then it’s so disappointing.
Now I’m left questioning it all. If it turns out to be a con, it won’t just be a blow to his reputation, it’ll chip away at the very thing that makes running so special, honesty, struggle, and the raw satisfaction of showing up, kilometre after kilometre. And for those of us who found a bit of strength in his story, that would be a real shame.
There are so many better role models for you than this clown. Lots of athletes out there are actually doing incredible things, not just models faking them for social media.
Exactly, in the recent 6 day world championships, both the men's and women's world records were broken.
Meg Eckert of the USA ran 970km, becoming the first woman in history to break 600 miles (603), falling just 3 miles short of Joe Fejes' overall US record of 606 miles.
Ivan Zaborsky ran 1048km, becoming the first man to go over 650 miles. Though it looks like his world record won't get ratified because he flew the Russian flag at the end, and although the official scoreboard started with a neutral white flag, it was changed to a Russian flag.
That's actually been the biggest controversy in multiday running over the last week. Goodge is small beer, compared to that!
sorry, i should have been more clear. i was talkng about HR. Those posted days show normal high hr, now if oyu add that he was going slower pace, then that is an evenbiogger nail in his coffin. you have shown that when people run with him, he goes slower, the same data shows his heart rate is much higher at the same time. busted.
It's a complete misnomer that Will C found no evidence of cheating when he went to the US to observe Goodge.
If you observe the stats and listen to the argument, then the overwhelming evidence becomes clear.
I use a coros watch fir bith long distance running and long distance swimming. The heart rate function on it has always been pretty accurate, varying with effort level and terrain as you would expect.
What I have noticed is that when I'm doing a cold water swim with the watch on the outside of the neoprene layers (so it can't read actual heart rate) it then just gives a fairly flat line rubbish reading somewhere between 95 and 105. All other metrics are tracked normally. So this is what a coros watch does when it is moving but not actually reading a heart beat 🤔
what do you mean by machine? do you think he has two watches? one in a "machine" in the van? and one on him? would they then be merging data after the fact? to me it seems as though they post the strava post almost immediately after theyve clocked the 110km for the day. so one watch that captures all the data, running or not, seems to be the most plausible in my opinion. the look of his heart rate graph on recent days, even with the more "real" looking higher numbers spliced in there, still seems to be odd. almost as if he has an external HR monitor connected to the watch which is being worn by someone else perhaps, and the sudden blips to higher HR readings seem as if this connection is being lost and the native HR reading from his COROS is being used. This could be completely wrong but it's only a theory. That might explain why in more desolate areas we saw less of this and longer extended periods of low HR and good pace. This still would require Goodge to have travelled some distance in a vehicle with the cadence being spoofed. It's all quite perplexing. The GPS lines on strava appear to look like "running" for the most part, at least in terms of the placement on the road, the route, the shakiness of the lines, but it's too hard to tell from that alone, as parts of it could very well be from within a vehicle. But then with the paces collected that vehicle would have to be cruising at less than 10km per hour... They also have a bike with them, perhaps that was used. Who knows. You also have the added complication of his Garmin InReach tracker, which so far appears to line up well with the strava data, which leads me to believe the Strava posts were not digitally altered. This leaves vehicular assistance or watch muling as the main tactic. That, or he's actually run the whole thing, and somehow skewed the HR data on purpose to create this whole drama lol.
I have a few questions, 1) if he was using a bike, would someone not see him or if he was in a car, would someone not come to run with him and then find him in a car trundling along? I really struggle to see how hes doing either of those but would an expert explanation.
2) Do you think he has three or four runners who have been kept of camera and hes watch muling with them or something? how does watch muling actually work and you manage to keep the data exactly the same, even if you say its wrong? that means then we have a person who he might be muling with who can run like Will and get the same heart rate data, now you lot have two people to go after no?
3) There are so many of you Will C lovers and Goodge deniers, why don't you all club together and pay for Will C to go out there or another of you and watch the last bit. Its Win win, if you prove him to be cheating, you can all become mega famous as the heart rate detectives and get some accolades in some running magazines or forums and feel amazing about yourself and even probably get your money back as well. So I say, all of you club together, get one of you out there and do the last leg, its a no brainer.
You are all so adamant, do something about it rather than sitting on a keyboard and moaning. Take control of the situation and do something
agreed. get someone out there tomorrow. but will that uncover any dubious behavior from the previous more desolate more suspicious days? who knows, but we'll soon see.
one thought: if the only suspicious looking thing is his HR, assuming the cadence in all the runs seems plausible and natural, and we were to find out for a fact that his HR monitor wasn't functioning correctly--say hypothetically because of the tattoo on his wrist--and he was in fact running with a natural pulse of 120-150bpm, but it was only due to "tech failure" that the readings came up suspiciously low, would everyone in this thread still believe he was cheating? and if so, why? let's also just assume every "bionic man" comment from Goodge was intentional facetious fuel to the fire merely to increase engagement.
Because right now HR is the only metric that is being used as hard evidence, which i understand because all we have is the data. All other assumptions based off of his demeanor, his response to criticism, etc. are still character-driven inferences, and while they do add soft context they're not enough on their own.
No one is going to uncover anything now. The most isolated parts of the run are over. Yeah we’ll see some lacklustre days, incredibly high HR’s, 8min+kms but we needed a couple of kangaroos with GoPros on to catch this bloke. As shifty as they come.
This low HR multi-day thing isn't just Will Goodge, look at Chris Tunbull avergae HR for this day, quite a few days are like this when he's going slower...
3) There are so many of you Will C lovers and Goodge deniers, why don't you all club together and pay for Will C to go out there or another of you and watch the last bit. Its Win win, if you prove him to be cheating, you can all become mega famous as the heart rate detectives and get some accolades in some running magazines or forums and feel amazing about yourself and even probably get your money back as well. So I say, all of you club together, get one of you out there and do the last leg, its a no brainer.
You are all so adamant, do something about it rather than sitting on a keyboard and moaning. Take control of the situation and do something
Go and read the account of Laz and team tracking Rob Young, one person turning up is virtually pointless, you need to put together a team of up to 6 people with various vehicles and comms (in the desert). Go back a year and set up the Gofundme or whatever and find 6 people able to take the time to go to the Australian desert and be self-supported where there are not convenient resting places.
One of the things that makes me shake my head is people in general who come to a situation - state something naive and simplistic and think they are Einstein.
People have lives, families, limited money to spend on nonsense and jobs, it's really not complicated to understand.
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and so do you have an explanation for this in your opinion? natural HR response? incorrect readings? Do you think Turnbull possibly cheated too? (if you think goodge is cheating that is)
There’s probably been a dozen or more people run with him so far and an even greater amount that have sighted him at some stage. You guys need concrete evidence which none of you seem to be achieving on your keyboard.
