If everyone paid attention to the fundamentals of Tesla it would already be the most valuable company on Earth. It's number 6 and headed to number 1 in the next 5 to 8 years.
I'm done. I'm gonna let Sally & Sactown finish with you. 🤦♂️
No. I’m probably done. I’m dealing with a guy who goes to Disney as an adult without children. Enough said.
As I told you earlier, I could name dozens of features that the Model Y has, but the Mach-e does not.
Enjoy squinting at your phone.
It’s a fine example. I can’t wait to hear tomorrow’s example. Lol Wake me up with you get to the example of how it drives, the quality and comfort day.
How does it drive?
Well, my Model Y drives further than your Mach E (longer range).
It's quicker than your Mach E (faster acceleration).
And it's faster than your Mach E (higher top speed).
But you like the way your Mach E "feels". That's good. Search your feelings, Luke.
It’s a fine example. I can’t wait to hear tomorrow’s example. Lol Wake me up with you get to the example of how it drives, the quality and comfort day.
How does it drive?
Well, my Model Y drives further than your Mach E (longer range).
It's quicker than your Mach E (faster acceleration).
And it's faster than your Mach E (higher top speed).
But you like the way your Mach E "feels". That's good. Search your feelings, Luke.
I’ll have to remember that the next time I’m in a drag race or really need to go those extra dozen miles. Lol
Okay. I’m done for real now. I can’t do it anymore. All I see when I type is this guy sitting in a parking lot watching TV and eating ice cream or going to Disney as an adult without children with his mouse ears and Snow White shirt.
It’s a fine example. I can’t wait to hear tomorrow’s example. Lol Wake me up with you get to the example of how it drives, the quality and comfort day.
How does it drive?
Well, my Model Y drives further than your Mach E (longer range).
It's quicker than your Mach E (faster acceleration).
And it's faster than your Mach E (higher top speed).
But you like the way your Mach E "feels". That's good. Search your feelings, Luke.
None of that likely matters when you’re headed to the ice cream stand in self driving mode.
Well, my Model Y drives further than your Mach E (longer range).
It's quicker than your Mach E (faster acceleration).
And it's faster than your Mach E (higher top speed).
But you like the way your Mach E "feels". That's good. Search your feelings, Luke.
None of that likely matters when you’re headed to the ice cream stand in self driving mode.
That's mostly true.
The extra 25 miles of range is helpful on road trips, but doesn't matter when getting ice cream.
The faster acceleration actually does help in self driving mode and every day driving. Any time you (or the computer) can position the car quicker in traffic, you can better avoid difficult or dangerous situations. It's also really fun to take off like a rocket.
Higher top speed is only useful at the track or in an emergency. But it is a proxy for judging the overall capability of the machine.
None of that likely matters when you’re headed to the ice cream stand in self driving mode.
That's mostly true.
The extra 25 miles of range is helpful on road trips, but doesn't matter when getting ice cream.
The faster acceleration actually does help in self driving mode and every day driving. Any time you (or the computer) can position the car quicker in traffic, you can better avoid difficult or dangerous situations. It's also really fun to take off like a rocket.
Higher top speed is only useful at the track or in an emergency. But it is a proxy for judging the overall capability of the machine.
The extra 25 miles of range is helpful on road trips, but doesn't matter when getting ice cream.
The faster acceleration actually does help in self driving mode and every day driving. Any time you (or the computer) can position the car quicker in traffic, you can better avoid difficult or dangerous situations. It's also really fun to take off like a rocket.
Higher top speed is only useful at the track or in an emergency. But it is a proxy for judging the overall capability of the machine.
So 0 to 25 you kick butt?
You mean acceleration? That's usually measured in 0 to 60 time, which for my car is 4.8 seconds. For the Mach-e Route 1 RWD, it's slower at 6.1 seconds.
None of that likely matters when you’re headed to the ice cream stand in self driving mode.
That's mostly true.
The extra 25 miles of range is helpful on road trips, but doesn't matter when getting ice cream.
The faster acceleration actually does help in self driving mode and every day driving. Any time you (or the computer) can position the car quicker in traffic, you can better avoid difficult or dangerous situations. It's also really fun to take off like a rocket.
Higher top speed is only useful at the track or in an emergency. But it is a proxy for judging the overall capability of the machine.
I buy cars with minimal options because they rarely get used or are rarely that useful. Just as a generalization you’re buying stuff that you might be borrowing money to purchase. Or forfeiting the opportunity cost of making money on. Stuff that generally depreciates quickly over time. And, if it doesn’t, almost always depreciates to zero in the end. And will end up in a junkyard somewhere. You have to have a car you don’t have to all the bells and whistles.
I rarely use the cruise control except on very long trips. I almost always have the transmission in manual mode. I can appreciate technology but not to the point where I’m going to waste money doing something that less pleasurable than the alternative. Using your brain to drive is far more fun than marveling at someone else’s technological accomplishments.
You mean acceleration? That's usually measured in 0 to 60 time, which for my car is 4.8 seconds. For the Mach-e Route 1 RWD, it's slower at 6.1 seconds.
I’m talking about how you experience the acceleration on the way to the ice cream stand.
You mean acceleration? That's usually measured in 0 to 60 time, which for my car is 4.8 seconds. For the Mach-e Route 1 RWD, it's slower at 6.1 seconds.
My last two ICE cars have faster times and I imagine are in real life driving with me behind the wheel faster off the line.
The extra 25 miles of range is helpful on road trips, but doesn't matter when getting ice cream.
The faster acceleration actually does help in self driving mode and every day driving. Any time you (or the computer) can position the car quicker in traffic, you can better avoid difficult or dangerous situations. It's also really fun to take off like a rocket.
Higher top speed is only useful at the track or in an emergency. But it is a proxy for judging the overall capability of the machine.
I buy cars with minimal options because they rarely get used or are rarely that useful. Just as a generalization you’re buying stuff that you might be borrowing money to purchase. Or forfeiting the opportunity cost of making money on. Stuff that generally depreciates quickly over time. And, if it doesn’t, almost always depreciates to zero in the end. And will end up in a junkyard somewhere. You have to have a car you don’t have to all the bells and whistles.
I rarely use the cruise control except on very long trips. I almost always have the transmission in manual mode. I can appreciate technology but not to the point where I’m going to waste money doing something that less pleasurable than the alternative. Using your brain to drive is far more fun than marveling at someone else’s technological accomplishments.
We all have our likes and dislikes. I find letting the car drive itself to be relaxing. And it's safer. But you do you.
For what it's worth, my car's value has appreciated substantially. And the price of FSD has gone up by 50% since I bought it.
You mean acceleration? That's usually measured in 0 to 60 time, which for my car is 4.8 seconds. For the Mach-e Route 1 RWD, it's slower at 6.1 seconds.
My last two ICE cars have faster times and I imagine are in real life driving with me behind the wheel faster off the line.
You can get Teslas with faster acceleration if that's what you want. The Tesla Model S Plaid has the fastest acceleration of any production car ever made. If you like that sort of thing you should give it a try. It's a blast.
You mean acceleration? That's usually measured in 0 to 60 time, which for my car is 4.8 seconds. For the Mach-e Route 1 RWD, it's slower at 6.1 seconds.
The Tesla plaid does a crazy 1.1 seconds if you have the boosters on.
Until the batteries go out. In ten years or 100,000 miles (if they are lucky), there is about a $15,000 battery replacement cost one has to anticipate. Additionally, that cost of ownership is predicated on current electric prices. If we do go to an electric grid full of renewables and battery storage, the cost of that electricity will likely triple or more (more as a result of the batteries than the wind / solar). The reason renewables are so "cheap" today is because they are complemented by natural gas turbines that fill in the voids in the power production. Most people (yourself included and politicians on the left who are approving the 100% renewable standards) do not understand the insanely high costs associated with reliance on batteries to provide storage. When those two factors are taken into account, the economics of EVs are not quite as shiny as you imply.
Nope. Not "until the batteries go out". The idea that there is this looming battery replacement cost at the end of the warranty is a myth. It is not uncommon to get 300,000 miles out of an old Tesla battery. And the batteries have just gotten better and better since then. Tesla says you should expect 300,000 to 500,000 miles from the battery.
EVs have a lower total cost of ownership. End of story.
Renewables and storage make electricity cheaper. It's the cheapest form of power generation there is. And the cost keeps going lower.
At about 100,000 miles, your batteries will have degraded by about 30% (meaning closer to 200 miles range than 300 miles). At 300,000 miles as you claim, your batteries would probably be at about 10% capacity, meaning you could go 30 miles, or 16 miles if it's cold out. It might work for commuting, but functionally, it is like having to keep your old cell phone attached to a charger at all times.
Nope. Not "until the batteries go out". The idea that there is this looming battery replacement cost at the end of the warranty is a myth. It is not uncommon to get 300,000 miles out of an old Tesla battery. And the batteries have just gotten better and better since then. Tesla says you should expect 300,000 to 500,000 miles from the battery.
EVs have a lower total cost of ownership. End of story.
Renewables and storage make electricity cheaper. It's the cheapest form of power generation there is. And the cost keeps going lower.
At about 100,000 miles, your batteries will have degraded by about 30% (meaning closer to 200 miles range than 300 miles). At 300,000 miles as you claim, your batteries would probably be at about 10% capacity, meaning you could go 30 miles, or 16 miles if it's cold out. It might work for commuting, but functionally, it is like having to keep your old cell phone attached to a charger at all times.
EV batteries don't degrade linearly. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Your numbers are so far from reality that I doubt you can find any site that shows degradation of even 1/3 of what you're claiming. A Nissan Leaf with no active cooling for the battery pack doesn't degrade at 1/3 of what you're claiming. Here's the decline over mileage for the earlier Teslas, Models S and X. I would bet any BEV produced in the last two years will show an even slower decline.
Nope. Not "until the batteries go out". The idea that there is this looming battery replacement cost at the end of the warranty is a myth. It is not uncommon to get 300,000 miles out of an old Tesla battery. And the batteries have just gotten better and better since then. Tesla says you should expect 300,000 to 500,000 miles from the battery.
EVs have a lower total cost of ownership. End of story.
Renewables and storage make electricity cheaper. It's the cheapest form of power generation there is. And the cost keeps going lower.
At about 100,000 miles, your batteries will have degraded by about 30% (meaning closer to 200 miles range than 300 miles). At 300,000 miles as you claim, your batteries would probably be at about 10% capacity, meaning you could go 30 miles, or 16 miles if it's cold out. It might work for commuting, but functionally, it is like having to keep your old cell phone attached to a charger at all times.
Oh, and if the battery has degraded by 30% at 100,000 miles, Tesla will give me a new one for free.
joedlrt wrote:AAt about 100,000 miles, your batteries will have nddegraded by about 30% (meaning closer to 200 miles range than 300 miles). At 300,000 miles as you claim, your batteries would probably be at about 10% capacity, meaning you could go 30 miles, or 16 miles if it's cold out. It might work for commuting, but functionally, it is like having to keep your old cell phone attached to a charger at all times.
Oh, and if the battery has degraded by 30% at 100,000 miles, Tesla will give me a new one for free.
And your Tesla with 100,000 miles on it will be brand new since it has a new battery. Yes?
