I didn’t vote for Trump.
Here is how I think about voter fraud: if you asked me to put down $20,000 on one side (either there was voter fraud, or there wasn’t) and some omnipotent source revealed the truth after I placed my bet, I would put the money on “there was fraud”.
No, I don’t have proof. And no, I don’t think the election results will change. I’m just telling you what I would do if money was on the line and it was a yes or no question.
coronafreedom wrote:
Thot Police wrote:
Here is a list composed of dead people who have voted in this year's Michigan election.
https://justpaste.it/8zt04Pretty easy to , follow the link to the obituary, then check their ballot status by name at -
https://mvic.sos.state.mi.us/Voter/IndexI am coming at this from a very neutral perspective, but can someone explain to me why these supposed votes cast by dead people would help democrats more than republicans? While I understand that many will respond by saying the majority of mail in votes are democrat, I don't believe this applies to fraudulent votes cast under the names of dead people. We have to remember that President Trump told his supporters at a North Carolina rally to vote both by mail and in person, and regardless of if this contributed to fraud or not, he certainly was not holding himself or his supporters to the highest levels of integrity. There is nothing about this that would make me think a democrat is more likely to use a dead relative to cast an additional ballot as opposed to a republican doing the same. Even if there was some correlation, this clearly was not done on a large enough scale to impact Biden's lead of well over 100k votes in Michigan.
Some of us aren't focusing on a few dead people who may or may not have voted. We are focused on the real fraud( systemic voter fraud and Russian interference).
alternate opinion wrote:
just the facts, ma'am wrote:
I tried one.
A woman born in 1935. The link to the obituary 'could not be found', so i went to the site's search feature and found 3 Michigan woman with the same name (pretty common name) that did have an obituary. The woman born in 1935 had voted, the other 3 woman with the same name but dead are not even registered.
Pretty sure I found the Facebook account for the woman born in 1935. She seems to be fine. Checked her town's property tax records. She still owns her house and has paid all her taxes this year. No obituary to be found anywhere. Seems very not dead.
Let me know which names actually work...because the first random one I picked sure does seem like disinfo fluff that you haven't actually followed up on.
You might have gotten unlucky, I tried 3 that worked. Here's one - Paul Rowley born Sep 12, 1927. The death date on the michiganobits.tributes site can be found elsewhere on the net too.
Obit: Paul was born on September 12, 1927 and passed away on Saturday, June 17, 1995. Paul was a resident of Flushing, Michigan.
Provided Zip Code: Bay City, Mi (50 miles away)
Googling "Paul Rowley Bay City, MI":
https://www.secondwavemedia.com/baycity/features/paul-and-peg-rowley-q-and-a.aspx(interview with a Paul Rowley from 2019 in Bay City, MI)
I did another name too. Someone who died as a resident of Cadillac, MI but voted in Brighton, MI 3 hours away...but wait! This person still owns a house and pays property taxes in Brighton, MI...because they're two different people with the same name.
You've been had by someone with too much free time on their hands, my man.
cognitive dissonance much wrote:
I didn’t vote for Trump.
Here is how I think about voter fraud: if you asked me to put down $20,000 on one side (either there was voter fraud, or there wasn’t) and some omnipotent source revealed the truth after I placed my bet, I would put the money on “there was fraud”.
No, I don’t have proof. And no, I don’t think the election results will change. I’m just telling you what I would do if money was on the line and it was a yes or no question.
Agreed. As a Trump supporter, what's important to me are my feelings, and I feel like Trump won the election. Feelings are far more important than facts.
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just the facts, ma'am wrote:
alternate opinion wrote:
You might have gotten unlucky, I tried 3 that worked. Here's one - Paul Rowley born Sep 12, 1927. The death date on the michiganobits.tributes site can be found elsewhere on the net too.
Obit: Paul was born on September 12, 1927 and passed away on Saturday, June 17, 1995. Paul was a resident of Flushing, Michigan.
Provided Zip Code: Bay City, Mi (50 miles away)
Googling "Paul Rowley Bay City, MI":
https://www.secondwavemedia.com/baycity/features/paul-and-peg-rowley-q-and-a.aspx(interview with a Paul Rowley from 2019 in Bay City, MI)
I did another name too. Someone who died as a resident of Cadillac, MI but voted in Brighton, MI 3 hours away...but wait! This person still owns a house and pays property taxes in Brighton, MI...because they're two different people with the same name.
You've been had by someone with too much free time on their hands, my man.
Wow! The Bay City Paul Rowley was even born in 1927 like the dead Paul Rowley from Flushing, Michigan.
https://www.michiganresidentdatabase.com/person/1425000682/paul-rowleyNice work. I guess this is debunked.
To be fair I think you'd want to do more than 2 to completely debunk it, but the odds that you debunked 2 out of 2 makes it seem pretty fake.
alternate opinion wrote:
just the facts, ma'am wrote:
Obit: Paul was born on September 12, 1927 and passed away on Saturday, June 17, 1995. Paul was a resident of Flushing, Michigan.
Provided Zip Code: Bay City, Mi (50 miles away)
Googling "Paul Rowley Bay City, MI":
https://www.secondwavemedia.com/baycity/features/paul-and-peg-rowley-q-and-a.aspx(interview with a Paul Rowley from 2019 in Bay City, MI)
I did another name too. Someone who died as a resident of Cadillac, MI but voted in Brighton, MI 3 hours away...but wait! This person still owns a house and pays property taxes in Brighton, MI...because they're two different people with the same name.
You've been had by someone with too much free time on their hands, my man.
Wow! The Bay City Paul Rowley was even born in 1927 like the dead Paul Rowley from Flushing, Michigan.
https://www.michiganresidentdatabase.com/person/1425000682/paul-rowleyNice work. I guess this is debunked.
Not debunked. You just need to have Faith that it is true and then it will be true.
I have no fear for President Trump is a very strong and kind man and has the backing of Christ!
This whole "feels like fraud" thing is whack! If there's no evidence to back it up then who cares??
Come on. This was just another election. If it wasn't for Trump planting the seeds the last 6 months nobody would care.
The next 70 days or whatever until Biden takes over is going to drag on forever. Trump is going to do numerous dumb crap in that time.
Rebulphitudinal wrote:
You resort to mocking, when you know you don't understand something. It's a common behavior.
Mock? My dear comrade, nothing could be further from the truth. Mocking shows derision and contempt, which I would reserve only for someone who was being profoundly stupid or otherwise contemptible - like a man who would cheat on his pregnant wife with a pornography actress. A man with no self respect deserves to be mocked, don't you agree, comrade? No. no. We are of the same mind, you and I. You are helping to expose the truth of how the USA is currently the worst country in the world. The worst. The strength and greatness of a country is most accurately judged by the fairness of it's electoral process. The more you (and others, not least of whom is comrade Trump himself) help expose how fraudulent the American electoral process is, the more you can show the world how truly terrible America is on a world scale. Which is what you are doing and for which I could never show contempt or derision. You are a true friend to mother Russia - nostrovia, my friend. Nostrovia.
pepa pigg wrote:
This whole "feels like fraud" thing is whack! If there's no evidence to back it up then who cares??
Come on. This was just another election. If it wasn't for Trump planting the seeds the last 6 months nobody would care.
The next 70 days or whatever until Biden takes over is going to drag on forever. Trump is going to do numerous dumb crap in that time.
Yeah it feels like a fraud if you've bought into the cult of personality of Trump and were certain he was going to win again.
That's a rather embarrassing path to have gone down, so most people will never resolve the cognitive dissonance.
el hombre wrote:
ernest 1978 wrote:
Why did Trump give historically black colleges the largest amount of money in history? Why did Trump pass criminal justice reform and prison reform? Why did Trump get minority unemployment to the smallest number in US history? He must be a really crappy racist......
He has given no money. What criminal justice reform did he pass?
How can you be so uninformed?
https://diverseeducation.com/article/191074/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Step_ActAgingrunner wrote:
coronafreedom wrote:
I am coming at this from a very neutral perspective, but can someone explain to me why these supposed votes cast by dead people would help democrats more than republicans? While I understand that many will respond by saying the majority of mail in votes are democrat, I don't believe this applies to fraudulent votes cast under the names of dead people. We have to remember that President Trump told his supporters at a North Carolina rally to vote both by mail and in person, and regardless of if this contributed to fraud or not, he certainly was not holding himself or his supporters to the highest levels of integrity. There is nothing about this that would make me think a democrat is more likely to use a dead relative to cast an additional ballot as opposed to a republican doing the same. Even if there was some correlation, this clearly was not done on a large enough scale to impact Biden's lead of well over 100k votes in Michigan.
Some of us aren't focusing on a few dead people who may or may not have voted. We are focused on the real fraud( systemic voter fraud and Russian interference).
What Russian interference was that? What Russians did what?
douglas burke wrote:
I think Biden and Harris are of the Character that they would rather lose fairly then to win by cheating and they would be very mad at anyone who tried to cheat on their behalf. I am sure Honesty is extremely important to them and they would be extremely upset if anyone tried to cheat on their behalf as it would ruin their credibility and reputation as 2 people who do what they believe to be right even when it hurts them personally, professionally or any other way.
They would not accept an unfair victory.
Is this sarcasm?
Remember when Biden lied during in 1988 presidential campaign saying he had 3 college degrees, had a full scholarship, and graduated in the top half of his law school class? Remember when he plagiarized numerous speeches during that campaign? Yeah, real ethical.
Remember when Kamala Harris flip-flopped on every position just so she can become VP? Clearly she'll do whoever and say whatever it takes to gain power. Remember when she was an AG and she withheld exculpatory evidence for someone on death row?
The Unkle wrote:
Agingrunner wrote:
Some of us aren't focusing on a few dead people who may or may not have voted. We are focused on the real fraud( systemic voter fraud and Russian interference).
What Russian interference was that? What Russians did what?
CNN told us over and over again how the Russians stole the election from Hillary and gave it to Trump. Must be true. Now, back to talking about dead people voting.
ernest 1978 wrote:
douglas burke wrote:
I think Biden and Harris are of the Character that they would rather lose fairly then to win by cheating and they would be very mad at anyone who tried to cheat on their behalf. I am sure Honesty is extremely important to them and they would be extremely upset if anyone tried to cheat on their behalf as it would ruin their credibility and reputation as 2 people who do what they believe to be right even when it hurts them personally, professionally or any other way.
They would not accept an unfair victory.
Is this sarcasm?
Remember when Biden lied during in 1988 presidential campaign saying he had 3 college degrees, had a full scholarship, and graduated in the top half of his law school class? Remember when he plagiarized numerous speeches during that campaign? Yeah, real ethical.
Remember when Kamala Harris flip-flopped on every position just so she can become VP? Clearly she'll do whoever and say whatever it takes to gain power. Remember when she was an AG and she withheld exculpatory evidence for someone on death row?
Oh. She has admitted that she will do what ever it takes. #kammytoes
cognitive dissonance much wrote:
I didn’t vote for Trump.
Here is how I think about voter fraud: if you asked me to put down $20,000 on one side (either there was voter fraud, or there wasn’t) and some omnipotent source revealed the truth after I placed my bet, I would put the money on “there was fraud”.
No, I don’t have proof. And no, I don’t think the election results will change. I’m just telling you what I would do if money was on the line and it was a yes or no question.
that's a suckers bet. There are a few instances of fraud in most elections (usually republicans). Additionally some people simply don't know election law enough to determine what they see is fraud. I could easily bet $20,000 that one side saw ghosts at the polls.
Agingrunner wrote:
CNN told us over and over again how the Russians stole the election from Hillary and gave it to Trump. Must be true. Now, back to talking about dead people voting.
Do have a citation for that? Maybe the reason you feel the media is so biased is because you're raging against a strawman.
The Mueller report proved that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. I don't know how anyone could quantify the impact though, so concluding that it was stolen from Hillary would be disingenuous (at least that is my view until proven otherwise).
Can you prove a source or two from CNN saying that the Russian stole the election from Hillary and gave it to Trump? When I do a quick search I find more factual, measured language than you're claiming. Example:
"For nearly two years, special counsel Robert Mueller investigated Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election and whether anyone from President Donald Trump’s campaign was involved." That's not even close to what you're claiming.
From one of the top Google searches:
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/politics/russia-investigations/#/investigations/specialCounsel/allI'm willing to be proven wrong if you can show me.
george c wrote:
From 2017:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/01/25/here-are-nine-major-investigations-on-voter-fraud-that-found-virtually-nothing/
Thanks George for your 2017 article discussing the 2016 election in which we were told over and over again that the Russians were interfering with our election. Ie voter fraud. Glad we got that straight.