What is the dumbest COVID denial left? all the big ones have fallen

recession deniers wrote:

The idea that we will quickly bounce out of this global recession is pure fantasy. It is going to be bad for a long time. It probably won’t be until mid summer when this really starts to sink in for the average person.

Hear, hear. I'm a gig worker who'll probably have no gigs this summer, and I don't qualify for unemployment insurance. But I've got enough in reserve to pay my bimonthly maintenance fee on June 1st, so though I already know *intellectually* that bad times are here (and worse are likely to come), I don't think I'll grasp it *viscerally* until August 1st. Coming up with funds for that check is going to be a chalenge.

Seems like this is going to be at least as bad as the recession in 2008 et seq.--and I didn't start to pull out of that one until the latter part of 2010. We could be looking at an interesting couple of years.

facts and reason wrote:

trollism wrote:

I then got my scientific calculator out and worked out that the difference between 62,000 and 6,000 is 56,000.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-incubation-period

"Most people with symptoms had them by day 12. And most of the other ill people were sick by day 14."

People who died in the beginning of a month may have been suffering with COVID-19 for weeks.

There's an incubation period, and there also may have been co-morbidities which the victim had been suffering with for a long time.

"1 month" is an inaccurate representation. It's a guess because scientists themselves don't know who patient zero is.

You can't be this dumb. I don't believe it.

"Patients with the new coronavirus keep the pathogen in their respiratory tract for as long as 37 days".

It's unfair for you to try to cram all these deaths into a single month.

We don't know when patient zero arrived into America.

"Nancy Pelosi toured San Francisco's Chinatown Monday to send a message. She said there's no reason tourists or locals should be staying away from the area because of coronavirus concerns."

This was back in February.

facts and reason wrote:

trollism wrote:

I then got my scientific calculator out and worked out that the difference between 62,000 and 6,000 is 56,000.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-incubation-period

"Most people with symptoms had them by day 12. And most of the other ill people were sick by day 14."

People who died in the beginning of a month may have been suffering with COVID-19 for weeks.

There's an incubation period, and there also may have been co-morbidities which the victim had been suffering with for a long time.

"1 month" is an inaccurate representation. It's a guess because scientists themselves don't know who patient zero is.

56,000 people died from the disease in April though. That's neither a lie or a misinterpretation of the data.

The flu also has a incubation period and many who die of it will have co-morbidities. But you (and your friends) seem to accept those numbers at face value (and even think they're understated).

*challenge

This just in:

Dallas reports that 50% of all cases are essential workers. This coming from statistics not a poll. As more workers return to the work force you should see the numbers of cases to go up.

In other news Harrison Ford is expected to be flying again shortly.

facts and reason wrote:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-12/coronavirus-can-live-in-patients-for-five-weeks-after-contagion

"Patients with the new coronavirus keep the pathogen in their respiratory tract for as long as 37 days".

It's unfair for you to try to cram all these deaths into a single month.

We don't know when patient zero arrived into America.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/nancy-pelosi-visits-san-franciscos-chinatown/2240247/

"Nancy Pelosi toured San Francisco's Chinatown Monday to send a message. She said there's no reason tourists or locals should be staying away from the area because of coronavirus concerns."

This was back in February.

Must have taken her que from reports coming from the white house and what the Corona task force was reporting.

trollism wrote:

56,000 deaths in one month. Would you suggest that's worse than 81,000 in a whole season?

Ok, I take that back. I'm sorry for accusing of misinterpreting the data.

But you made the specific comparison of "one month" vs "whole season".

"One month" does not tell the whole story. The "56,000" could have included people who were infected 37 days or more beforehand.

The second argument is that "56,000" itself is an exaggeration.

"80,000" was later downgraded to "61,000" for the 2017-18 season. The same correction can still possibly be made in the future as more data comes in.

The dumbest covid fact is that the shutdowns flattened the curve. That it's because of our hard work and staying inside that we've avoided millions of deaths. Talk to Sweden and the handful of US states that didn't shutdown or were late. Very similar outcomes compared to the harshest of lockdowns. It's as if nobody has ever heard of the law of diminishing returns.

2:18 wrote:

Must have taken her que from reports coming from the white house and what the Corona task force was reporting.

"Democrats continually said Trump was a “racist” and a “xenophobe” for a halting flights from China."

You leftists own this.

April one fhe entire tally for the US was 4000. In four short weeks add 60000. Not since the ww1 flu has one month been anywhere near that bad with a virus.

So I think the argument that the cure is worse than the disease may be gathering steam.

Read this today (4-30-2020)

Since mid March, 3.7 million Californians have applied for unemployment. In that same time period about 2000 people have died from the virus. Obviously there are more that will die, and it is every sense of the word terrible that people are losing fathers, mothers, husbands, wives, children, etc. but taking this in math form, for every death in California at this point around 1850 people have applied for unemployment. Each of those people have an average _x_ people that the fact they are out of work, directly affects them too. Maybe it is a factor of 4. Maybe it is 3. but whatever the factor is, for every death at this point something like 5000 people are in some way suffering as well per each person who has passed. (there is a ripple affect of people from that death obviously but it is unlikely to be 5000)

Money problems leads to most others in a relationship/family relationship. The fall out from that is yet to come. There is no perfect solution to what is happening, but I believe people are going to start verbalizing the above. Stay safe everyone.

COVID deniers are permitted free range posting on LRC, while others of us have post after post removed.

LRC is a cesspool.

dumb wrote:

Yeah I guess the fact that I got a 4.0 in pre-med and was the top of my class makes me dumb. I guess the fact that I got into a lot of medical schools also makes me dumb

This definitely did not happen.

nope wrote:

dumb wrote:

Yeah I guess the fact that I got a 4.0 in pre-med and was the top of my class makes me dumb. I guess the fact that I got into a lot of medical schools also makes me dumb

This definitely did not happen.

Haha Definitely not.

ModsBlowChunks wrote:

COVID deniers are permitted free range posting on LRC, while others of us have post after post removed.

LRC is a cesspool.

Good for letsrun mods, clean up the "cesspool" by deleting fear porn.

Works for me.

Sweden's currently at 256 deaths/million for COVID, 7th highest in the world. Tell me again how they did so well when none of the countries around them have anything close to that. Their neighbor, Norway, is at 1/6 that rate.

LRR wrote:

So I think the argument that the cure is worse than the disease may be gathering steam.

Read this today (4-30-2020)

Since mid March, 3.7 million Californians have applied for unemployment. In that same time period about 2000 people have died from the virus. Obviously there are more that will die

Awesome however it is not the proper way to look at the statistics.

alpha wrote:

ModsBlowChunks wrote:

COVID deniers are permitted free range posting on LRC, while others of us have post after post removed.

LRC is a cesspool.

Good for letsrun mods, clean up the "cesspool" by deleting fear porn.

Works for me.

Let me guess, you’re a champion of free speech unless it doesn’t agree with you. Sounds about right.