Why wouldn't testing positive for EPO be an automatic disqualifier for US citizenship? Ridouane Harroufi win US 15k title

Sometimes you just have to say "What the F**K"

Maybe when Rubb is found guilty of his years of using PEDS/EPO, he will be removed from the US and sent to Morocco

People in charge of citizenship: wtf is EPO?

Ok, but the reality is that it has never been enforced so the de facto situation is that you serve your suspension and they can come back. Maybe the system should be a garnishment of earnings when you do return.

Hotel Security wrote:

Most American's couldn't tell you how far 15k is in miles .

Most people in the world could not answer that either.

Valid point. So he was popped at LA. Did he collect the prize money from that race? Or return that money? I do not think they retroactively say "Oh for the past 2 years you also have to give that money although we have no evidence you were doping then".

And USATF like all other NGBs (and IFs) must abide by the rules in place. The rules allow him to return to competition.

Rojo - I respect you but really - are you living in the same USA as me? This is the same country that let Mohammed bin Salman in for meetings after ordering the killing of a Washington Post journalist, and kidnappings from US soil. Do you really think they are going to come into our little sand box and regulate things that matter only within our beloved but, face it TINY sport? They don't care. They don't even care to govern properly.

The simple answer is: the anti-doping milieu/jurisprudence is entirely separate from any form of U.S. government bureaucracy. USADA was created as an arms-length, disinterested third party government agency (at least as far as the organizational mandate is concerned) that has nothing to do with anything but doping... taking the power out of the hands of 'interested' parties (those with a vested interest in preserving brand power/reputation etc. - USOC for example) to ensure fair adjudication of disputes. Of course, WADA was created for the same reason... the IOC could no longer be trusted with handling anti-doping, as was clear after the Festina incident, revelations of the GDR's organized, state-sponsored doping programme, and rampant doping amongst Chinese swimmers in the 1990s... not to mention the Salt Lake City bribery scandal. The creation of a separate anti-doping apparatus was years in the making, after the seeds were planted by athletes/NSOs in the late 1980s-early 1990s.

My guess is the U.S. Naturalization and Immigration Department had no information on a positive test... he simply fit the criteria, and was selected for citizenship on the merits of his case (my educated guess). It's not as if he has a criminal charge, or ties to anything sinister. He got popped for EPO. At least at this point in time, a doping positive is not grounds to bring charges against someone. Had he been applying for Italian or French citizenship, perhaps it would be a different story.

Well articulated sir. I've included additional info on p.4 of the thread. Didn't see yours.

So should Lance Armstrong be stripped of his citizenship?

navyrunner wrote:

So should Lance Armstrong be stripped of his citizenship?

he's a White Male, so no

Sally Williamson wrote:

navyrunner wrote:

So should Lance Armstrong be stripped of his citizenship?

he's a White Male, so no

TBH he should be made to become German, like Sam Parsons.

What the hell are you talking about? I start threads about black people based on false transgressions. Please cite 1 example.

And are you an idiot? The dude's not black.

My point on the whole thread was simple. The dude has a nice looking family, I'm thrilled he recognizes this place as the greatest on earth but so would probably another billion people on earth. Just as I wouldn't let in a disbarred lawyer from another country, I wouldn't let in an EPO cheat.

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Sally Williamson wrote:

navyrunner wrote:

So should Lance Armstrong be stripped of his citizenship?

he's a White Male, so no

Or maybe because Lance was born here and doesn't have to apply for citizenship. We don't get to throw out the cheating ,current citizen, dickheads, but that would be a fun game! I have seen no actual evidence that any of this has to do with race but that doesn't seem to matter to many of you. I won't use the "i" word since many of you are sensitive to this word.

How about "intellectually challenged"?

Rojo,

As Run Ragged posted multiple links to the policy manual and others have pointed out, Athletics doping offenses do not constitute a criminal action in this country. Your take is a bit xenophobic and extremely uninformed.

To become a naturalized citizen, Harroufi has been vetted multiple times over the course of many years if not more than a decade. Depending on how he entered the country originally, the visas he had prior to a green card, and foreign travel he was likely vetted by the State Department, US Customs, US Citizenship and Immigration, the IRS, and possibly even ICE. He has provided substantial transparency related to his employment, finances, travel, and family life to the government.

Other than testing positive for EPO and competing in USATF races (something most US citizens would barely differentiate from that time you cheated in monopoly to beat Wejo), there is no indication that Harroufi has been anything other than a hard working immigrant trying to make a better life for his family. Questioning his right to be in this country rather than congratulating him on the journey he's taken is incredibly offensive not just to him but every other immigrant seeking US citizenship.

I recommend you try to find a local naturalization ceremony to attend so you can better understand how hard these people have worked and what it means to them to become a fully participating US citizen.

Current USCIS Adjudication Officer

RunningJim wrote:

Sally Williamson wrote:

he's a White Male, so no

Or maybe because Lance was born here and doesn't have to apply for citizenship. We don't get to throw out the cheating ,current citizen, dickheads, but that would be a fun game! I have seen no actual evidence that any of this has to do with race but that doesn't seem to matter to many of you. I won't use the "i" word since many of you are sensitive to this word.

How about "intellectually challenged"?

Ok, White Male Rage

The future is female

PhDoping wrote:

Well articulated sir. I've included additional info on p.4 of the thread. Didn't see yours.

Thanks for the compliment, but how dare you assume that I'm a sir? LOL. I'm actually a ma'am (due to being female, not cuz of identity claims or speshul "gender" feelz).

RunRagged wrote:

PhDoping wrote:

Well articulated sir. I've included additional info on p.4 of the thread. Didn't see yours.

Thanks for the compliment, but how dare you assume that I'm a sir? LOL. I'm actually a ma'am (due to being female, not cuz of identity claims or speshul "gender" feelz).

The future is female