when a woman runner starts growing huge traps out of no where,
that is anabolism
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when a woman runner starts growing huge traps out of no where,
that is anabolism
https://8womendream.com/wp-content/uploads/Florence-Delorez-Griffith-Joyner-307x400.jpg
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Who did her nails? They were always awesome!
Was it Al?
Marion Jones was extremely talented AND on PEDs and couldn't come anywhere close to Flojo's times....
Lol this old thread brought back to life.
It’s amazing that so many records have been broken since, maybe someone can compile a list. People are edging up to huge marks too, like SP, LJ, and TJ.
That W100m is safe. 2 women came sort of within sight of the 200m, but not really, that 21.34 is waaaaay down there.
10.49 should be wiped from the books. No woman has yet run a legal 10.49. 10.61 should be the official record, doping suspicions notwithstanding.
Imagine if Dolt had run a 9.46 with a faulty wind gauge, that is the magnitude of 10.49. I still maintain it will never be broken by an XX in my lifetime.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Lol this old thread brought back to life.
It’s amazing that so many records have been broken since, maybe someone can compile a list. People are edging up to huge marks too, like SP, LJ, and TJ.
That W100m is safe. 2 women came sort of within sight of the 200m, but not really, that 21.34 is waaaaay down there.
10.49 should be wiped from the books. No woman has yet run a legal 10.49. 10.61 should be the official record, doping suspicions notwithstanding.
Imagine if Dolt had run a 9.46 with a faulty wind gauge, that is the magnitude of 10.49. I still maintain it will never be broken by an XX in my lifetime.
Dafny and I were just talking about that over a Heineken or three. She says it's untouchable.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Lol this old thread brought back to life.
Old thread?
It was started two day ago.
If the record was reset to 10.61, then 21.34 would be the stronger mark IMO.
I await the emergence of a female Dolt.
You’re right, I confused it with a different thread!
Oops.
not sprintgeezer wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
And speaking of obsessed - here you are. Again. You left out your usual spiel about thermodynamics.
Pointing out how convinced you are that your drug endorsements are delusional.
I had it from a connected source pre 1988 that the group she ran in was spending $5 k a month on HGH.
She was a slightly short of the absolute highest level female athlete, around for a long while finishing with a lot of third places. She made the ultimate sacrifice for taking the next step.
100% science experiment wrote:
FlowingOnTheJoe wrote:
To compete with East Germany and Russia I’m guessing no. Thoughts?
100% no. I was told by a very credible source that she came up positive in Seoul after Ben Johnson. The Games could not afford to have two positives. So, they allowed her to finish competing with a promise that she would not win any further races (notice she did not pass in the 4x4), and to retire after the Games.
Perhaps someone did say this to you, but I can tell you for a fact that FloJo did not test positive in Seoul and that whoever told you that is not credible. The FloJo situation is very complicated, but she never tested positive and even after her death Al Joyner agreed to have her body exhumed and retested. A friend of mind was teamamte and lived with FloJo her for a period of time and watched what she took on daily basis. Her supplementaion is a complicated issue, but she never injected herself with anything, which is how got steriod in your system back them. Also, anyone who knows Florence will tell you that she was a rather docile and naive individual and most likely wasn't fully aware of what she actually stopped when started noticing some unwanted physical changes. There is comflicting information on when FloJo stopped her supplementation, but she was under incredible scrunity leading up to and during the the 1988 Olympics and I seriously dobut she competed with junk in her system during the Olympcis.
TrackCoach wrote:
100% science experiment wrote:
100% no. I was told by a very credible source that she came up positive in Seoul after Ben Johnson. The Games could not afford to have two positives. So, they allowed her to finish competing with a promise that she would not win any further races (notice she did not pass in the 4x4), and to retire after the Games.
Perhaps someone did say this to you, but I can tell you for a fact that FloJo did not test positive in Seoul and that whoever told you that is not credible. The FloJo situation is very complicated, but she never tested positive and even after her death Al Joyner agreed to have her body exhumed and retested. A friend of mind was teamamte and lived with FloJo her for a period of time and watched what she took on daily basis. Her supplementaion is a complicated issue, but she never injected herself with anything, which is how got steriod in your system back them. Also, anyone who knows Florence will tell you that she was a rather docile and naive individual and most likely wasn't fully aware of what she actually stopped when started noticing some unwanted physical changes. There is comflicting information on when FloJo stopped her supplementation, but she was under incredible scrunity leading up to and during the the 1988 Olympics and I seriously dobut she competed with junk in her system during the Olympcis.
If she had had any more junk in her system she would have been a pharmacy.
Flo Jo was about as clean as a sailors underpants after a few days drinking on Bourbon Street in The Big Easy!
Flo Jo and the rest of the Americans had no choice.
The Eastern European women were wiping the floor with Americans and they were clearly doping. Americans got tired of losing to East Germans, West Germans, Russians, Romanians etc so they started doping as well
TrackCoach wrote:
100% science experiment wrote:
100% no. I was told by a very credible source that she came up positive in Seoul after Ben Johnson. The Games could not afford to have two positives. So, they allowed her to finish competing with a promise that she would not win any further races (notice she did not pass in the 4x4), and to retire after the Games.
Perhaps someone did say this to you, but I can tell you for a fact that FloJo did not test positive in Seoul and that whoever told you that is not credible. The FloJo situation is very complicated, but she never tested positive and even after her death Al Joyner agreed to have her body exhumed and retested. A friend of mind was teamamte and lived with FloJo her for a period of time and watched what she took on daily basis. Her supplementaion is a complicated issue, but she never injected herself with anything, which is how got steriod in your system back them. Also, anyone who knows Florence will tell you that she was a rather docile and naive individual and most likely wasn't fully aware of what she actually stopped when started noticing some unwanted physical changes. There is comflicting information on when FloJo stopped her supplementation, but she was under incredible scrunity leading up to and during the the 1988 Olympics and I seriously dobut she competed with junk in her system during the Olympcis.
This brings up an interesting question: what "supplements" or PEDs could be tracked or traced in an exhumed body years upon years after competing? Could you imagine the records that could fall if this became practice?
TrackCoach wrote:
Her supplementaion is a complicated issue, but she never injected herself with anything, which is how got steriod in your system back then.
Not true. Dianabol, in pill form, was gulped by bodybuilders in the 1950s forward.
I believe Joyner is one of the most obvious drug users in the history of sports. But there is a lot of nonsense on this thread.
too too funny wrote:
My legitimate response to reading this title: ha ha hahahahahahhaha hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha... hahahahahahhaha..hahahaha. I can’t think of anything more obvious in the history of anything. FloJo and Carl Lewis are the 2 most obvious frauds in the history of sport.
That would be Dongstrong. He conned people out of 10s of millions. Nobody else really even close. But maybe you meant to say "the sport."
Well, too too funny wrote "most obvious frauds", not most successful or damaging.
Personally I'd throw Edwin Moses into the mix, especially since he became USADA Chairman. He was more invincible than Armstrong, and that in the dirty '80s! Sure, let's put the fox in charge of the henhouse.
World Records and Performance Enhancing Drugs (Women)
Every World Record in Track and Field has been accomplished with the aid of Performance Enhancing Drugs
Let’s take a look at the Womens records:
100m
Florence Griffith Joyner (United States) - 10.49 (0.0 m/s)
16 July 1988, US Olympic Trials, Indianapolis, United States
This race was the quarter-final of the U.S. Olympic trials in 1988. It was wind-aided and drug-aided!
The wind gauge was faulty for the race in which Florence Griffith Joyner set this record.
A 1995 report commissioned by the IAAF estimated the true wind speed was between +5.0 m/s and +7.0 m/s that day in Indianapolis, rather than the 0.0 recorded.
See the video of this race here:
You can clearly see her hair blowing in the wind at the start line and after the race.
Florence Griffith Joyner (aka ‘Flo Jo’) was on Performance Enhancing Drugs (PEDs) big time in the 1980’s. As a result she started to grow facial had, her voice deepened, her muscles became bigger and she started running super fast.
A workout she did in 1988 involved a time trial of two 600m runs. Where she had to go through the first 400m in 49 seconds. So she was approaching the world record even in workouts. Crazy.
Because she did PEDs to such an extreme extent, she died of the long term side effects in 1998 at the age of 38.
200m
Florence Griffith Joyner (United States) - 21.34 (+1.3 m/s)
29 September 1988, Olympic Games, Seoul, South Korea
See above about “Flo-Jo”
400m
Marita Koch (East Germany) - 47.60
6 October 1985, World Cup, Canberra, Australia
Marita Koch achieved this time with the aid of performance-enhancing drugs.
The drugs she used were and remain illegal, but were not detectable at the time (1985).
In 1991 German anti-drug activists were able to save several doctoral theses and other documents written by scientists, working for the East German drug research program. The documents list the dosage and timetables for the administration of anabolic steroids to many athletes of the East Germany, one of them being Marita Koch.
According to the sources Koch did use anabolic steroids from 1981 to 1984 with dosages ranging from 530 to 1460 mg/year.
A letter to the head of the pharmaceutical company Jenapharm was discovered, in which Marita Koch complained that another athlete received larger doses of steroids than herself, because she had a relative working in the company.
Doping in her country East Germany was common and rampant:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_East_Germany
800m
Jarmila Kratochvílová (Czechoslovakia) - 1:53.28
26 July 1983, Munich, West Germany
This is the longest lasting World Record in Women’s Track and Field.
Jarmila Kratochvílová who may have even been a hermaphrodite competing in Womens races.
But if she was a woman, she did PEDs to such an extent that she turned herself into a man.
Look her up on Google images. You see essentially the body of a man, face of a man, underarm hair, no breasts, no hips, muscular arms and legs.
She was the most masculinized female runner in Track and Field history.
She tested positive for PEDs, but the results of the positive tests were destroyed.
1500m
Qu Yunxia (China) - 3:50.46
11 September 1993, Chinese National Games, Beijing, PR China
3000m
Wang Junxia (China) - 8:06.11
13 September 1993, Chinese National Games, Beijing, PR China
10,000m
Wang Junxia (China) - 29:31.78
8 September 1993, Chinese National Games, Beijing, PR China
Qu Yunxia and Wang Junxia were known as the ‘chemical sisters’ of China.
They were coached by a man named ‘Ma Junren’
He gave his athletes performance enhancing drugs as part of his training regime.
6 of his athletes were among 27 competitors dropped from China's team for the 2000 Sydney Olympic games after failing blood tests. As a result he was dropped as a coach from the Chinese Olympic team.
Ma Junren, who denied supplying his athletes PEDs, instead claimed that he fed his female athletes turtle blood and a special fungus.
Sure Ma, where can I get some?
PEDs and Womens World Records. A match made in heaven.
The Male version of this list is just as bad.
Triplejump wrote:
Marion Jones was extremely talented AND on PEDs and couldn't come anywhere close to Flojo's times....
Thats because Flojo ran during the era of freestyle doping when there was no limit to how much an athlete could dope. Thats why Many of the women's records set during that era have never been broken.
Marion Jones ran during an era when athletes had to limit how much dope they took. Had to play cat and mouse games with testers and sometimes had to take substances to hide the presence of the dope in their bodies.