SUPERIOR COACH JS could get him there in the 8.
SUPERIOR COACH JS could get him there in the 8.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Iowa800 wrote:
They're valued but aren't predictors of NFL success. Most of the top combine performers haven't gone on to become NFL stars.
There's nuance. First of all to even reach the conversation of being an NFL prospect, you need to have very good speed. For a CB sub 4.6, WR/Safety/RB sub 4.7. Those are at the absolute worst, you'd have to be elite in some other aspect to get considered, and most likely .05 faster is required.
A lot of the combine record 40 guys are very undersized/injury-prone. John Ross has constantly been hurt since being drafted, he's had moments when he's been healthy. Guys like Holliday/Demps couldn't withstand the pounding necessary to be big NFL stars.
For Coach O's purposes, he's talking about at the college level. And there's no question to me that what I said in reference to that is correct. The NFL exposes guys who are smaller, more fragile, unintelligent (DGB), or can only run in straight lines. College you can get away with more of that.
Everyone in the NFL needs baseline elite speed and explosiveness. It’s just overrated when it comes to the top workout performers.
Crewealex wrote:
One guy who was legit world class who had a long NFL career was James Jett of the Raiders. He ran the heats in Barcelona and got a gold in the 4x100. I think he gave up track once he got drafted though.
Rocket Ismail too
Typical sprinter. impressed with himself.
Ever notice what sprinters are doing during middle distance and distance events in HS, college and beyond?
Exactly! Not cheering the runners !
Because it's not about them, that's why!!!
Good luck getting that dude to figure out the usada system.
He's the best sprinter who can actually do something other than run in a straight line. He'd def get smoked tho. If he would of tried since hs he may have a shot. USA men's sprinting is in a good place right now. Hopefully if everyone stays healthy.
But the main reason it's a NO is because, other than his contract probably not letting him, is he's one of the nfl's biggest scum bags, and they have a lot of those.
This is a man that beat his pregnant gf in the stomach trying to hurt both her and their unborn baby.
Sorry but no way would I want this guy repping the USA. I'd rather have a whole group of steroid users, which he'd be in that too, than this guy.
Because they're usually busy talking to the opposite sex on other teams. Lol. Rather than being bored out of their minds.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
This is cool:
http://nflfootballjournal.blogspot.com/2015/02/nfls-fastest-man-competition.htmlI think this basically aligns with what you'd suspect. Jett's 6.10 is right on par with the fastest time ever in these 60-yard dashes. For reference, he ran 10.10 and finished 5th in the 1992 trials. He was NCAA runner-up in the 100/200 in college aka he had a legit resume. He was an above-average winner of this competition but most years there'd be some someone within .1 of him in the 60 if not challenging him/closer. 60 yards is probably a more ideal event for NFL players when compared to the 100 it's probably also worth noting.
This clipping is very interesting: Two of these NFL players had world records in the 4 x 400 M relay: Willie Gault won the 4 x 400M Gold Medal in the 1983 World Championships (new W. Record) and Ron Brown won the 4 x 400M Olympic Gold in the 1984 (new W. Record) but neither one of them could beat NFL player Darrell Green. I don't think any other professional sports have sprinters of this caliber.
Gault and Brown were 400m or 4x100m relay record holders.
In the early 90s the LA Raiders has a ridiculous amount of speed on their team but it didn’t translate to wins. That team, with 6 months of training probably makes and Olympic or World final.
There was a time when he might have stood a chance in the 200, but those days are over.
Been a truck load of college sprinters/footballers over the years, the Olympians.
NFL busts
Frank Budd
Ray Norton
Tommie Smith
Trenton Jackson
Jim Hines
Jeff Demps
Made some impact
Gerald Tinker
Larry Burton
Henry Carr
Michael Bates
Johnny Jones
Sam Graddy
Bo Roberson
Willie Gault
Ron Brown
James Jett
Starred and are in the Hall of Fame
Ollie Matson
Bob Hayes
Over 100 who were sub 10.40/9.5 speedsters
All these guys had good NFL careers
Mel Gray 9.2
Isacc Curtis 9.3
Cliff Branch 9.2
Jamaal Charles 10.18
Michael Bennett 10.18 also
Sammie Parker 10.17
Alvis Whitted 10.07
James Trapp 10.14
Curtis Conway 10,26
Raheem Mostert 10.28......current Niner RB
Herschel Walker 10.23
Phil Epps 10,2?
Travis Williams 9.3
Homer Jones 9.4
J.D.Hill 9.3
Terrence Newman 10.20
Darrell Green 10.08
Deion Sanders 10.26
Cecil Turner 9.3
Joe Delaney 9.4
Michael Haynes 10,28?
Trindon Holliday 10.00
Jacoby Ford 10.01
Willie McGee 9.1 WR
As we can see a lot of speed in the NFL
Now add....
Javid Best Cali State 100m champ
Khafani Muhammad Cali 100m champ
Napolean Kaufman Cali 100m champ
Justas Fargas Cali 100m champ
Bo Jackson
Rocket Ismail
Alexander Wright NFL Fastest Man
Eddie Kennison NFL Fastest Man
don't forget:
Renaldo Nehemiah
though like Hayes he went track to football.
Honestly how often do we hear this kind of stuff - why is he even saying this? Is he trying to remind everyone he is fast?
There is not a chance in the world this guy turns up to any track meet ever again. Just stop it.
Steve Martin wrote:
Further, there are three Olympic sprint relay teams: 4X100, 4X200, 4X400.
Really?
renaldo wrote:
don't forget:
Renaldo Nehemiah
though like Hayes he went track to football.
10.17 and still the Maryland school record.
9.98 - 7 years and 20lbs ago....
lol k
Penn Relays is trying to recruit Tyreek for 2020:
Michael Bates was a 5-time Pro Bowler and won bronze in the 200m in Barcelona.
I wish him luck, but his chances are very slim. I also played football (not in the NFL) and going from my football weight of about 172 to my track weight of 160 was very difficult. It took me from the end of the football season in December until April to get back in track shape. Perhaps it took me longer because I primarily ran the 800 as opposed to sprints, but Tyreek would have to lose almost twice as much weight as I did. Even those big sprinters like Gatlin and Powell are only about 180 lbs, while Tyreek is over 200 lbs. Btw, losing muscle weight is harder than losing fat. My 100m PR is 10.7, albeit that was from age 17, perhaps I could have run 10.5 at age 21, but I was a consistent 4.5 (40yd) in football, which means those 4.3 speed demons in football are perhaps no better than 10.2 sprinters in track. With that in mind, Tyreek is probably only a 10.2 or 10.1 at best as a 100m sprinter, which in the U.S. that puts you in the choir. With all of that said, I would not completely count him out because he was world class at age 18, he is now several years older and stronger, perhaps if he can manage to lose weight without losing too much muscle strength anything is possible.
Facts are worthless wrote:
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Not every nfl’er is using.
Yes I know how ridiculous that sounds.?
MIGHT be a couple of kickers that aren't.
And QB's- Tom Brady (skinny fat), Jameis Winston (beer belly).
I think he means the 100 and 200m teams. A little confusing though.