Other companies can't charge what Nike does, so the cost of their original r&d is defrayed by cutting material costs. Saucony and Brooks only sell running shoes, they aren't in football, basketball, baseball, hockey, skateboarding, golf, etc. Nike is and so they have a diversified product portfolio in which to spread out defraying of r&d in any given sector.
People have definitely worn and tested those shoes and had some pretty impressive performances.
Whacka whacka wrote:
The box includes a red rubber nose and an orange wig.
The joke will be on Kipchoge in the end. In twenty years time when all the top runners are racing in the Nike 25% Solar (powered) Kangeroos, and the marathon world record is 1:49, he'll be a distant memory.
We'll have discussions here between those who say Kipchoge was the GOAT and those who say whoever the current WR holder is - 'there's no way you can compare Kipchoge to a guy who has ran sub 1:50. It's not just the shoes, runners today are much better athletes and better trained. Kipchoge just got lucky when the competition was poor and there were few Chinese and North Koreans competing back then.'
Nobody says Bannister was better than El G. And Bannister's breaking of the four minute mile was 1,000 times of greater and real historical significance than the sub 2:00 contrived set up.
If Bekele beats Kipchoge next year, especially if at Tokyo for the gold, Kipchoge will be quickly forgotten. Guys will be running sub 2 hours routinely in races by the end of the 2020's.
PIK wrote:
Good lord, look at this monstrosity.
This ^ lol
LoneStarXC wrote:
World Athletics should start limiting the stack height for shoes. This is getting ridiculous. It’s getting close to moon shoes.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/811x6E1vDzL._AC_SY450_.jpgBoing boing!
Lol, I can't wait, remember they did promise us hover boards when I was a child.
wejo wrote:
A visitor sent us this photos:
https://www.letsrun.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/IMG_0032.jpgHe cropped it from a social media post. From what I understand this may be the shoe coming out this spring that is presumably close to what Kipchoge wore in his sub 2:00 run.
Kipchoge seems to be given a shoe before everyone else now.
I think when he ran 2:01:39 he was racing in a prototype.
Is that the how you all understand it?
Check this out!
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/banned-but-awesome-self-correcting-golf-balls-that-always-fly-straightwejo wrote:
A visitor sent us this photos:
https://www.letsrun.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/IMG_0032.jpgHe cropped it from a social media post. From what I understand this may be the shoe coming out this spring that is presumably close to what Kipchoge wore in his sub 2:00 run.
Kipchoge seems to be given a shoe before everyone else now.
I think when he ran 2:01:39 he was racing in a prototype.
Is that the how you all understand it?
Check this out!
none of this is new. anyone who has relations to the pro/semi-pro running scene has seen thee on wear testers feet on instagram and such
Seyta wrote:
The only ones angry about these shoes are largely the runners who are too old to still set their PRs in them. You take a look at high school and college runners and legions of them are investing in these "clown shoes". If you're angry at them for using the best shoes on the market, you may as well be angry at everyone who doesn't wear a set of Hokas double the weight of all their competitors.
there should be a rule stating that nobody is allowed to wear a shoe manufactured after 1972.
So if the swoosh boys (and girls) will presumably have these at the Trials, does that mean they'll have to be released (at least in some minute quantity) to the public prior to then?
Real Talk wrote:
They're just shoes, nobody cares.
He says... as the thread blows up.
Droddy & Stinson's Communal Bong wrote:
Other companies can't charge what Nike does, so the cost of their original r&d is defrayed by cutting material costs. Saucony and Brooks only sell running shoes, they aren't in football, basketball, baseball, hockey, skateboarding, golf, etc. Nike is and so they have a diversified product portfolio in which to spread out defraying of r&d in any given sector.
This wasn't a factor until the 4%. Adidas was selling the adios boost 4 for $180 when they first came out and they were the most expensive flat on the market. Brooks sold the hyperion for 130. Both more expensive than the streak 7 which retailed for 110.
Real Talk wrote:
They're just shoes, nobody cares.
Stop wasting all your time online obsessing about them.
Thank you so much for this. It’s so true. If only these guys put that effort into a marriage.
codaayyee wrote:
none of this is new. anyone who has relations to the pro/semi-pro running scene has seen thee on wear testers feet on instagram and such
https://www.instagram.com/p/BguDAiXFT4q/
Who's the heel striker?
facts show otherwise wrote:
Real Talk wrote:
They're just shoes, nobody cares.
He says... as the thread blows up.
I wouldn't say so. It's only like a 4 page thread at this point, and most of it is the same few guys going in circles. Probably anonymously posting as multiple users too. Really, people don't care about the shoes, it's just this sub being an echo chamber and the same people shouting the same things over and over here. Go to any decent sized marathon, most of the top 100 will be wearing Vaporflys, and no one cares. If someone's going around calling them clownshoes at a race, that's the a-hole who sticks out, not everyone else.
Those files shoes are so ugly omg
aesthete, thinker wrote:
Is this what we want as a sport? Who can make the bounciest clown shoes?
I agree. The heel cushion looks ridiculous.
Everyone better get used to this with shoes going forward and not just racing shoes. Just like F1 is a proving ground for car technology, racing shoes and elite runners are proving ground/validation for running tech. The greater marketplace isn't for racers looking to get a OT or BQ qualifier, its runners looking for a better run experience in general.
Hoka started the revolution with increased stack heights and now with "super" foams and carbon plates those will all combine to not only create faster race shoes, but faster, more enjoyable training shoes. I have already tried a "training" shoe prototype with super foam and carbon plate and it was an amazing feel for a "training" shoe. I can't say when/if it will come to market but as it stands now it would be a very expensive ($300+) shoe. The shoe I tried basically felt like a alter-G treadmill would.
Purists will say that isn't what running is, but purist don't set the market. The average Joe/Jill do and if companies can create shoes that feel great, run smooth and fast then those consumers will shell over the dollars for that experience regardless of what running snobs will say. And at the end of the day the larger market of 4+ hour marathoners who spend more money than LRC posters do will snap them up gladly while others will debate here whether they should be called runners or not.
Jimmy had a similar shoe way back in the day on Seinfeld.
Sebcoe7 wrote:
Everyone better get used to this with shoes going forward and not just racing shoes. Just like F1 is a proving ground for car technology, racing shoes and elite runners are proving ground/validation for running tech. The greater marketplace isn't for racers looking to get a OT or BQ qualifier, its runners looking for a better run experience in general.
Hoka started the revolution with increased stack heights and now with "super" foams and carbon plates those will all combine to not only create faster race shoes, but faster, more enjoyable training shoes. I have already tried a "training" shoe prototype with super foam and carbon plate and it was an amazing feel for a "training" shoe. I can't say when/if it will come to market but as it stands now it would be a very expensive ($300+) shoe. The shoe I tried basically felt like a alter-G treadmill would.
Purists will say that isn't what running is, but purist don't set the market. The average Joe/Jill do and if companies can create shoes that feel great, run smooth and fast then those consumers will shell over the dollars for that experience regardless of what running snobs will say. And at the end of the day the larger market of 4+ hour marathoners who spend more money than LRC posters do will snap them up gladly while others will debate here whether they should be called runners or not.
This. People on this sub like to pretend they're more important than they really are, but the fact is this place is just a tiny insignificant blip on the radar. The general population doesn't care and isn't aware of what dumb little arguments go on in here. They just want fancy new shoes that make you run faster. Money talks, another LetsRun thread isn't going to change anything. People spend $1000 for a new phone that they're gonna replace in a year, $250 for some shoes is nothing. Nike's stock prices continue to climb, but you'd never know if you just hung around here where there's nothing but misery and complaints.
