Road Racing and Training Thread, Week Ending October 6, 2019

darkwave wrote:

Interesting about the deal-making. Funny thing is that deal making doesn't work for me unless I'm very close to the end. In the middle stages, my immediate reaction to any time of deal is "eff this" and a strong impulse to drop out.

For me, I stick with trying to hit the right feel (my version of staying in the moment) and repeating to myself "relax and flow forward."

I agree with the observation that sitting in a sauna can be similar to a bad patch in a race, and requires similar mental durability. I'd place ice baths in that category as well.

And dentists visits, and conference calls with clients . . .

Oh how running prepares us for life.

ESP ice baths. If you try to fight it then it makes it worse. Have to relaxxxx

I would deer hunt as a kid (killed one deer and decided that it wasn’t for me so always let them walk after that). And dad would always say if you get cold don’t fight it just relax and bo up and take it. Racing seems similar.

Pappy has drilled into my thick brain that runnin relaxed means running fast.

Smoove wrote:

darkwave wrote:

Interesting about the deal-making. Funny thing is that deal making doesn't work for me unless I'm very close to the end. In the middle stages, my immediate reaction to any time of deal is "eff this" and a strong impulse to drop out.

For me, I stick with trying to hit the right feel (my version of staying in the moment) and repeating to myself "relax and flow forward."

I agree with the observation that sitting in a sauna can be similar to a bad patch in a race, and requires similar mental durability. I'd place ice baths in that category as well.

And dentists visits, and conference calls with clients . . .

Oh how running prepares us for life.

And conversely, I've found that practicing keeping a straight face during yoga class when the instructor wants us to chant mantras or focus on the power within has proven very useful in business meetings.

RRR - I discovered some time ago that I race much faster at 95-98% effort than at 100%. And since, unlike Pre, I believe that racing is about who's fastest, not who has the most guts, I'm fine with that.

Man. On deal-making, in my teens and early 20s I used to have the worst brain for that stuff (and would often go out way too fast). I think in a 5K, the thought of one mile to go was the worst (similar sensation when I hit 3k to go in an 8k XC). I was a solid miler, but if I had a better head for it I should've been a lot better in the 5K too.

Think (hope?) I've progressed for a bunch of reasons. One, going out for an even/negative split gives you that 95-98% mentality that is a huge psychological boost. Passing people vs. being passed makes you feel fantastic. Second, a lot of drudging treadmill miles, and pushing through days where my legs didn't feel bueno. Get through that attrition, at least in the longer races it feels like you can zone out and persevere. In my first marathon, where my legs just quit on me late that was all about survival. I couldn't get away with my thoughts (just thinking about striding in a way that would not cause every part of my legs to lock up ha). But in other races, spacing out is the go-to as if I start thinking just get to mile 8, only 5 to go in a half it may feel pretty daunting. Haven't really raced a 5K all-out while training semi-seriously since my younger days (I ran 18:15 running a few days a week a few years ago and paced it smartly), so wondering if I can conquer those old woes.

Also, am running Bay State Marathon. I do not think they have a usual tracking system but I will look into it! It's a double-loop course so that might be the mental challenge. That being said the New Jersey marathon had an out-and-back when everything was going wrong, so I can't imagine it would be worst than that.

Pappy wrote:

LancRunner, I'm sorry I have not kept up with TDR's leader board. When I said I would try I had a lot more free time at work. Anymore, I could probably work over a few hours everyday and still be swamped. I didn't realize I was going to be given a project that is larger than I thought and not qualified for.

In the mean time, if people want to keep the leader board alive it might be best to just copy and paste it while changing their own accomplishments.

Alright then... I'm taking it over, b/c... wth... might as well do something for the thread. I've changed the format a bit, and I may tinker a bit more over the coming weeks. Feedback is welcome. Everyone starts with a date submitted of today. 1 year and they will roll off. If you are bold then that's a new one, if you are in italics I've never seen you post on here, and unless someone says something in the next 3 weeks, you will fall off the list as well (just need to keep this clean I think, unless anyone wants to yell.

Name: Bird502 Age Grade %: 92.88% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: Half Marathon Time: 1:03:41

Name: Coyote Montane Age Grade %: 92.88% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 8K Time: 00:28:19

Name: statfanatic Age Grade %: 91.64% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 1 mile Time: 00:04:03

Name: Urban Diesel Age Grade %: 90.59% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 3K Time: 00:09:29

Name: Smoove Age Grade %: 89.32% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: Marathon Time: 2:30:44

Name: Runn3grl123 Age Grade %: 87.46% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:16:53

Name: Bdubs Age Grade %: 86.93% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:15:26

Name: LongWayFromHome Age Grade %: 86.91% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:14:31

Name: darkwave Age Grade %: 86.49% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 1 mile Time: 00:05:25

Name: slo-twitch Age Grade %: 85.46% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: 38 Event: 5K Time: 00:15:49

Name: krishna Age Grade %: 85.27% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 3K Time: 00:08:38

Name: outsiderunner Age Grade %: 85.18% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:17:19

Name: GNR1 Age Grade %: 84.86% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:15:38

Name: th3bt Age Grade %: 84.62% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 10K Time: 00:34:21

Name: Jewbacca Age Grade %: 84.43% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 10K Time: 00:32:13

Name: Andy Dufresne Age Grade %: 83.56% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: Half Marathon Time: 1:10:54

Name: Napper Age Grade %: 83.10% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 4 mile Time: 00:22:41

Name: HHH Age Grade %: 82.66% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:15:30

Name: Bruin1996 Age Grade %: 82.62% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 10K Time: 00:34:37

Name: Stone Cutter Age Grade %: 82.55% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:16:43

Name: Sub 6:00 Age Grade %: 82.41% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:16:01

Name: Allen Age Grade %: 82.39% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:19:13

Name: Jot quill Age Grade %: 80.31% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: 25 Event: 5K Time: 00:16:10

Name: team1 Age Grade %: 80.09% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: Marathon Time: 2:40:11

Name: pewow Age Grade %: 80.07% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 1 mile Time: 00:04:38

Name: 3283823 Age Grade %: 79.88% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 10K Time: 00:34:38

Name: LancRunner Age Grade %: 79.29% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: 36 Event: 5K Time: 00:16:49

Name: angryjohnny Age Grade %: 79.26% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: Half Marathon Time: 1:15:17

Name: Gordon Tremeshko Age Grade %: 78.97% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: 32 Event: 5K Time: 00:16:34

Name: runrincerepeat Age Grade %: 78.88% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:16:44

Name: Still Improving Age Grade %: 78.75% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: Marathon Time: 2:57:06

Name: hantph96 Age Grade %: 78.56% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:16:33

Name: DietBacon Age Grade %: 77.85% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 10K Time: 00:34:19

Name: Guy Broman Age Grade %: 77.60% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:16:49

Name: RunnerSam Age Grade %: 76.16% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:16:56

Name: Coach Jeff Age Grade %: 76.03% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:19:24

Name: Jeremy Age Grade %: 75.65% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:17:15

Name: Tall dark roast Age Grade %: 75.43% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:17:30

Name: dirtroadSC Age Grade %: 75.02% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:18:17

Name: MikeG83 Age Grade %: 74.95% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:17:42

Name: Working Harder Age Grade %: 73.87% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: Half Marathon Time: 1:21:50

Name: NYCHalf Age Grade %: 72.76% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: Half Marathon Time: 1:20:16

Name: RunJaymes Age Grade %: 72.53% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 10 Mile Time: 00:60:40

Name: James Corden Age Grade %: 71.53% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:18:09

Name: BHViking Age Grade %: 70.94% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: Half Marathon Time: 1:25:52

Name: Cocoon Age Grade %: 70.65% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 10K Time: 00:39:14

Name: Runningforfun Age Grade %: 68.93% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: Half Marathon Time: 1:25:57

Name: RunGuy Midwest Age Grade %: 68.62% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: Marathon Time: 2:59:10

Name: KidB Age Grade %: 68.38% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: Half Marathon Time: 1:25:23

Name: SOBO Age Grade %: 67.10% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 10K Time: 00:39:49

Name: PutoMiudo Age Grade %: 67.02% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 10K Time: 00:39:52

Name: LebanonHills Age Grade %: 65.72% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: Marathon Time: 3:08:34

Name: JamesTheAmateur Age Grade %: 64.24% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 800m Time: 00:02:37.4

Name: going faster miles an hour Age Grade %: 64.14% Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:21:59

Thanks for this.

My latest time was run at age 45.

Finally getting around to some more comments, so hyped for everyone's upcoming races!

AJ: Thanks for the article on the other thread! Was a really great read.

drcrusher: That's a killer long run, very nice week and you definitely right to fell good about all that work!

OR: Dang still crunching out 21 hilly miler at a pretty quick clip. Hope you aren't over-doing the leg!

Smoove: I can't even imagine not being able to run naturally for so long! Very happy for your return back to getting in regular, awesome feeling running.

Pappy: Keep it going! Nothing like the feeling of getting back into shape.

Sub 6:00: Congrats again on the win, and can't wait for you to tackle Chicago!

darkwave: Awesome week as always, and great long run! I've finding myself doing more and more 2 workout weeks this cycle (by feel), and found myself to be much healthier while still gaining fitness. Just curious, do you schedule in the two workout weeks or adjust down by feel when needed?

rucker: 20min uphill tempo is serious business! I would bet 1:20 is definitely within your fitness range right now.

Coyote: Nice racing! Sounds like a fun dial back week :D

GNR1: Wow awesome 10 miler, pretty blazing pace in the heat

RunnerSam: Woohoo congrats to the Mrs.! Solid week

TL: Looking fit, healthy, and ready to roll! Definitely got a great chance at your goals.

Napper: Rooting for you! You've got this in the bag!

RGM: GO TIME indeed! You look ready to crush that goal, get at it!

LancRunner: YEAHHHHH congrats on the awesome 5K, hammering!

stat: Beastly long run progression

slo: Not much I haven't already said, keep crushing it and can't wait to see your performance at Indy! And maybe catch you around for Thanksgiving

cocoon: Awesome job at the SJ RnR! Fantastic result coming off of sickness and a rogue pacer!

Apologies for making the thread a bit longer this week, but wanted to try some formatting of the leaderboard. If you want to be included, just post in here with all the relevant necessary info. Age, Time, Event... I'm hoping this formatting lines things up a bit more and makes it easier to read. Here goes nothing!

Thanks!

92.88% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: HM Time: 01:03:41 Name: Bird502

92.88% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 8K Time: 00:28:19 Name: Coyote Montane

91.64% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 1M Time: 00:04:03 Name: statfanatic

90.59% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 3K Time: 00:09:29 Name: Urban Diesel

89.32% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: MA Time: 02:30:44 Name: Smoove

87.46% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:16:53 Name: Runn3grl123

86.93% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:15:26 Name: Bdubs

86.91% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:14:31 Name: LongWayFromHome

86.49% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: 45 Event: 1M Time: 00:05:25 Name: darkwave

85.46% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: 38 Event: 5K Time: 00:15:49 Name: slo-twitch

85.27% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 3K Time: 00:08:38 Name: krishna

85.18% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:17:19 Name: outsiderunner

84.86% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:15:38 Name: GNR1

84.62% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 10K Time: 00:34:21 Name: th3bt

84.43% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 10K Time: 00:32:13 Name: Jewbacca

83.56% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: HM Time: 01:10:54 Name: Andy Dufresne

83.40% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 10K Time: 00:35:23 Name: th3bt

83.10% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 4M Time: 00:22:41 Name: Napper

82.66% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:15:30 Name: HHH

82.62% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 10K Time: 00:34:37 Name: Bruin1996

82.55% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:16:43 Name: Stone Cutter

82.41% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:16:01 Name: Sub 6:00

82.39% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:19:13 Name: Allen

80.31% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: 25 Event: 5K Time: 00:16:10 Name: Jot quill

80.09% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: MA Time: 02:40:11 Name: team1

80.07% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 1M Time: 00:04:38 Name: pewow

79.88% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 10K Time: 00:34:38 Name: 3283823

79.29% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: 36 Event: 5K Time: 00:16:49 Name: LancRunner

79.26% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: HM Time: 01:15:17 Name: angryjohnny

78.97% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: 32 Event: 5K Time: 00:16:34 Name: Gordon Tremeshko

78.88% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:16:44 Name: runrincerepeat

78.75% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: MA Time: 02:57:06 Name: Still Improving

78.56% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:16:33 Name: hantph96

77.85% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 10K Time: 00:34:19 Name: DietBacon

77.60% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:16:49 Name: Guy Broman

76.16% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:16:56 Name: RunnerSam

76.03% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:19:24 Name: Coach Jeff

75.65% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:17:15 Name: Jeremy

75.43% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:17:30 Name: Tall dark roast

75.02% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:18:17 Name: dirtroadSC

74.95% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:17:42 Name: MikeG83

73.87% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: HM Time: 01:21:50 Name: Working Harder

72.76% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: HM Time: 01:20:16 Name: NYCHalf

72.53% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 10M Time: 00:60:40 Name: RunJaymes

71.53% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:18:09 Name: James Corden

70.94% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: HM Time: 01:25:52 Name: BHViking

70.65% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 10K Time: 00:39:14 Name: Cocoon

68.93% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: HM Time: 01:25:57 Name: Runningforfun

68.62% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: MA Time: 02:59:10 Name: RunGuy Midwest

68.38% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: HM Time: 01:25:23 Name: KidB

67.10% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 10K Time: 00:39:49 Name: SOBO

67.02% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 10K Time: 00:39:52 Name: PutoMiudo

65.72% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: MA Time: 03:08:34 Name: LebanonHills

64.24% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: .5M Time: 00:02:37 Name: JamesTheAmateur

64.14% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 5K Time: 00:21:59 Name: going faster miles an hour

jot quill wrote:

darkwave: Awesome week as always, and great long run! I've finding myself doing more and more 2 workout weeks this cycle (by feel), and found myself to be much healthier while still gaining fitness. Just curious, do you schedule in the two workout weeks or adjust down by feel when needed?

It's somewhat by feel and somewhat by schedule.

My running team has team workouts every Tuesday and Friday morning (usually intervals on Tuesday and tempo on Friday). So that's why I did the intervals workout last week on Tuesday, so I could jump in with the team.

My coach likes to have a lot of the team do a Wednesday 25x400m at 10K pace workout instead of the Tuesday/Friday combo when marathon training. I don't do that workout because I've found it fries me, but if that's happening I'll ask if it's OK if I show and tempo at that time.

So whether I do Tuesday/Wednesday each week depends on what the team is doing, and also what the weather looks like.

As for Saturday versus Sunday for the long run, it's driven by weather, social plans, and local races. I did the 2x5 mile workout last Saturday because the weather was supposed to be perfect on Saturday and there was a 10K race scheduled on Sunday for where I wanted to do the workout. I'll do my 21 miler on this Saturday because I have a party to go to on Saturday night and Army 10 Miler on Sunday is going to make things a bit messy in DC (plus I want to cheer at Army).

But...I do plan out several days ahead when I'll do the big workouts - it's not a last minute spontaneous thing (unless I wake up and feel off and decide to push back a day)

Thanks for the insight darkwave! That makes a lot of sense. Very cool that your coach/team has both the Wednesday option and the Tues/Fri, seems like a nice way to indirectly build in some flexibility

Thanks for all the good vibes, this week and always.

GT - Those are two classic workouts. I wouldn’t think of it as being a step back at all.

RRR - Nothing exceeds like excess. Really though, that is a lot of all-around volume.

Jeff - Yeah, that’s some thread mojo. Definitely enjoyed the RR. I’ve always found 10ks so tricky, and the relaxed, run-by-feel approach might be a good solution.

Stone - Welp, yep. That’s not linear. Looks like an all right maintenance week for the Mrs.

NG - Couple Good Daniels workouts there. You’re using 2nd edition plan A?

JQ - The improvement you’ve shown over the time you’ve been posting on this thread has been truly impressive. And while you’ve been logging a lot of long, slow miles, you definitely still have speed.

3283823 - No need to rush anything, I’d imagine, but hope things get back to normal soon.

AJ - Some good takes there. I finally got around to buying a pair of Next% and they feel bizarre—that falling forward feeling—there has to be a significant performance difference to running in normal shoes.

drcrusher - That’s a very solid week all around. And Saturday morning was something else.

OR - Saturday’s long run looks solid 6 weeks out. Get the leg/whatever back to good and I think you’ll be all right for Richmond.

Smoove - Weeks like that just always make me be grateful to be able to run. Happy to see you get back to where you are now.

Pappy - That’s a real week. Good stuff. Just stay patient and keep it going.

darkwave - That’s some good perspective, and a good workout Saturday. Amazing morning for a run. And thanks for note about others with no long runs in the last month. It’s probably not that critical physiologically, but it can help shore up the mental side of things. I’ll just have to draw from other things this time.

rucker - Uncomplicated is good. Steady 10 milers can take you a long way. The mountain run sounds fun.

CM - Pretty solid little 5k there, yourself included.

GNR1 - Excellent 10 miler in the swamp.

RS - Congrats to Mrs. RS on the 5k PR.

TL - Nice medium-long run. I’d bet that’s your body zeroing in on marathon pace.

Napper - We’re definitely in the zone where nothing we can do will help, just don’t want to mess it up. As for weather, we’ll get what we get.

RGMW - Nice quote. Let’s get this. Skinny means you’re ready.

LancRunner - Awesome PR!

Stat - Very okay week. We all need those.

Slo - Happy to see everything is going well. Of course, congrats again on the 5k PR.

Cocoon - Tough going in sick to a half. How do you feel about the result?

HJ - Welcome on board! Love the handle. We are all hobby joggers after all. For some reason I thought Grete Waitz coined that term, but maybe I’m mistaken.

Sub 6:00 wrote:

Cocoon - Tough going in sick to a half. How do you feel about the result?

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I would have loved to be closer to 6:35 pace than the 6:39 (by my watch) that I landed on. Having said that, this is my 2nd fastest half marathon ever, so I am not complaining. Also happy where my fitness is in my quest for a sub-3 at CIM. It will be close, barring any training or health setbacks.

LancRunner wrote:

Apologies for making the thread a bit longer this week, but wanted to try some formatting of the leaderboard. If you want to be included, just post in here with all the relevant necessary info. Age, Time, Event... I'm hoping this formatting lines things up a bit more and makes it easier to read. Here goes nothing!

70.65% - Age Grade % Date Submitted: 10/8/2019 Age: ? Event: 10K Time: 00:39:14 Name: Cocoon

Age 41. Race was on Feb 03, 2019.

Found the counts of people's top performing events pretty interesting, I think it ties in to some discussions earlier about age grading:

Event Count

5K 24

Half Marathon 8

10K 8

Marathon 5

1 mile 3

3K 2

8K 1

800m 1

4 mile 1

10 Mile 1

I feel like a huge chunk of us are always training for the marathon, and end up setting our best age grades in the middle of that :p

Yea, as I was updating, I realized there were a lot of 5k entries. I'm not sure if that's because it's softer and easier to get a high age-grade or if it's b/c it's a much more frequently run distance. We might run 5-10 5ks a year, but Marathons, or Halfs, you're probably at 1-2. So, the likelihood that it all comes together for a great race and a great age-grade might be higher on a 5k b/c your just taking more shots.

jot quill wrote:

Found the counts of people's top performing events pretty interesting, I think it ties in to some discussions earlier about age grading:

Event Count

5K 24

Half Marathon 8

10K 8

Marathon 5

1 mile 3

3K 2

8K 1

800m 1

4 mile 1

10 Mile 1

I feel like a huge chunk of us are always training for the marathon, and end up setting our best age grades in the middle of that :p

Yeap. Like SLO just did. Cause people typically do more mileage when training for the thon. And that to me is by far the most important aspect of training.

I'm a bit surprised there aren't more 10K Age Grade bests, but that might just be more of a volume game. But agree that mileage is the key element, so it doesn't shock me with more chances to hit it right there'd be some great 5Ks.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

I'm a bit surprised there aren't more 10K Age Grade bests, but that might just be more of a volume game. But agree that mileage is the key element, so it doesn't shock me with more chances to hit it right there'd be some great 5Ks.

My marathon is my 3rd or 4th best age graded time over the last few years (definitely behind a 15k and a half, and I think behind a 5k), but it remained on the most recent board because, at the time, it was the only one that was within the last year (which I recall was the original standard that we used).

I definitely think that the 10k is so infrequently run at the local level that it is hard to put up a good age graded time as a result of a simple lack of opportunity, Of the 10 major local races here in Orlando, we have only one 10k (as compared to six 5ks, one 4 miler, one 5 miler, and one half marathon), and it is on a slow course.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

I'm a bit surprised there aren't more 10K Age Grade bests, but that might just be more of a volume game. But agree that mileage is the key element, so it doesn't shock me with more chances to hit it right there'd be some great 5Ks.

Not sure how it is in other areas, but 10Ks are not often run in my area whereas multiple 5Ks are going on all weekend long it seems. So unless I want to travel for a 10K somewhere else I'm not often getting a chance at that distance. (By travel I mean driving more than an hour, which, maybe I'm lazy but I don't usually want to do unless it's for a BIG RACING EVENT, and a weekend 10K doesn't usually fall in that category for me.) Which is too bad because the 10K is one of my favorite distances to race.