You guys are right about LRC, not for one second do I believe Nick Willis has been clean. Nothing has shown me that. But here's the bottom line, I don't care if he is clean or dirty, as there is a level playing field.
You guys are right about LRC, not for one second do I believe Nick Willis has been clean. Nothing has shown me that. But here's the bottom line, I don't care if he is clean or dirty, as there is a level playing field.
El Keniano wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
How about he's a fine athlete who cares about the state of the sport?
And you know this how?
His Olympic record speaks for itself. That he openly condemns doping confirms that he is not indifferent to what it is doing to the sport.
typicalkiwi wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Nick stating what is obvious. But in the virtuous halls of Letsrun, professional athletes with a distinguished record are not allowed to say things like that.
If Nick wants to be captain obvious, why doesn't he bring Rupp and Mo into thew conversation ansd questions everything they have achieved in thew careers. They are much bigger names than Hassan. Guess it's easier for him to pick on a little woman!
You seemed to have missed that Rupp and Mo - yesterday's men - aren't competing at Doha while their coach has been busted for doping.
lkjoo wrote:
You guys are right about LRC, not for one second do I believe Nick Willis has been clean. Nothing has shown me that. But here's the bottom line, I don't care if he is clean or dirty, as there is a level playing field.
And what has shown you that he isn't?
nope, and neither is nick. They're both racing 7 days later, about an hours flight from nick's house. Why not call them out? talk about range, mo's 15 pb is better than nicks! Isn't that worth a call-out? Hasn't rupp, he with no wheels, come very close to nick's mile PB? that would deserve a call-out, no? and how about the bombshell about jenny simplson and dr brown, that should deserve a call-out, IMO...
Armstronglivs wrote:
You seemed to have missed that Rupp and Mo - yesterday's men - aren't competing at Doha while their coach has been busted for doping.
Chobits wrote:
Clayton Murphy's hott coco wife draggin him in the replies
#ulovetoseeit
Hahaha who's that?
Watching her preformances over the last week, I immediately thought of Ma's army. It is just so blatantly obvious. People who even have a ounce of hope she's clean probably also thought Asbel Kiprop and Lance Armstrong were clean.
not my real name wrote:
They're both racing 7 days later, about an hours flight from nick's house. Why not call them out? talk about range, mo's 15 pb is better than nicks! Isn't that worth a call-out? Hasn't rupp, he with no wheels, come very close to nick's mile PB? that would deserve a call-out, no? and how about the bombshell about jenny simplson and dr brown, that should deserve a call-out, IMO...
No call-outs from Nick on: Rupp, Farah, Centrowitz.
Easier to pick on a tiny black woman who lives in the Netherlands than the grown men he might actually see in person, I guess. "Brave."
Was Willis seeing Doc Brown as well? Every time Willis speaks out about something , you find out he was part of the problem.
https://www.flotrack.org/articles/5049880-nick-willis-speaks-out-against-pornography
Is he racist?
Did he say anything about KK?
Anyone really surprised by the results?
Was she not the favourite in both events?
Anyone think that after the allegations & continuing investigation that AS would continue with his shady practices?
He got caught a long time ago & USADA took forever to ban him for what he did in the past. His current crop of athletes would not be under him if they had banned him in 2016!!!
Also, I don’t like AS but I highly doubt he’s done anything wrong in the last 4 years.
Galen, Hasay, Koko & Sifan are legit.... I’ve no reason to point fingers.
if he's serious, let's see him talk about the men wrote:
Easier to pick on a tiny black woman who lives in the Netherlands than the grown men he might actually see in person, I guess. "Brave."
A tiny black woman who lives in Portland... "Dumb."
If you are going to be outraged, at least be outraged about real things.
Armstronglivs wrote:
lkjoo wrote:
You guys are right about LRC, not for one second do I believe Nick Willis has been clean. Nothing has shown me that. But here's the bottom line, I don't care if he is clean or dirty, as there is a level playing field.
And what has shown you that he isn't?
1500 m PR at age 32 (and a cheat in his private life too).
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
This defense of Nike, NOP, Salazar and their athletes is getting ridiculous. LR is the ONLY community that is in favor of these organizations/coaches/athletes and doesn't realize that something is not right with these performances.
Willis is ABSOLUTELY right. He has been in the pro circus for over a decade and knows the sport in and out. Yet many LR users don't want to realize that there IS suspicious stuff going on in some training groups/environments to boost performance. I'm starting to wonder how many of these posters are part of Nike's legal/community team trying to improve/keep their reputation as a honest company competing in elite sports.
Hassan could have won ANYTHING from 800m to the marathon in these WC (many people here don't even realize that her 1:05:15 half when she was in worse shape is already a 2:16:30 performance, now she is in 1:03/1:04 (=WR) shape and could obviously run fast in a marathon with the stuff she is on).
Could Rudisha win the marathon? Ok, let's lower the stakes. Could he run a sub 59 half, which is similar to Hassan's performance? Could Cheruiyout/Lewandowski run a sub 27 10k? Again, equivalent. This range, that she could all display on a single day is just absolutely unbelievable. It goes against everything we know about FT:ST muscle fiber ratio and "training specifity". Bekele, who has a great range, still has nothing like Hassan. His best 1500 is only 3:32 (nothing compared to his 5k-marathon achievements), and NOW, in peak marathon shape, he likely couldn't even run 3:35 anymore.
So the only argument you can make is that women are superior, and can be world best from 800 to marathon simultaneously. NO! Doesn't work! Because Hassan is the ONLY one with this range. Do you think Muir can go even 1:07 in a half? Or Chepngetich sub 4 in a 1500m? No, you are EITHER good at 1500-5000, OR at HM-marathon, but NOT at both. Hassan is everything - 1:56, 3:51 (without max effort), 14:22, 1:05:15 (HM 1 year ago when she was only in 3:56 shape). If this doesn't raise the eyebrows of even the last LR "no one is doping! no positive tests!" defender, then I don't know what would do.
You (and Willis and others) are 100% speculating about Hassan. This is not the standard to publicly badmouth someone.
Based on your post you do not understand world class running talent and training (and are exaggerating Hassan’s range), and all you have is conspiracy theories and irrational hatred of Nike and Its athletes. These are real people who you and others accuse without any actual proof, just because what you see doesn’t fit your understanding of the world. Shameful.
Any man who uses that term that the op used in the subject should be castrated. We don’t want you in our gene pool.
5,000 miles to the west wrote:
if he's serious, let's see him talk about the men wrote:
Easier to pick on a tiny black woman who lives in the Netherlands than the grown men he might actually see in person, I guess. "Brave."
A tiny black woman who lives in Portland... "Dumb."
If you are going to be outraged, at least be outraged about real things.
You obviously know nothing about her. Sifan spends a just a little tiny bit more time away from Oregon than Rupp and Engels, you idiot. Including in the Netherlands. I have seen her training there ffs.
You are avoiding the actual point, Nick-fanboy, which is that Nick is too much of a coward to talk crap about his actual competition or actual men.
casual obsever wrote:
a cheat in his private life too
?????
Do tell.
wait what wrote:
casual obsever wrote:
a cheat in his private life too
?????
Do tell.
?????????????? indeed.
Casual Observer is either lying or officially outing himself as working for Russian Intelligence.
In any case, I've take a screen shot of his defence of Hassan. I know that I'll mention it in a couple of months time and he'll accuse me of lying (and his alternative handle 'Spade Detector' will post within one minute a reply with the usual 'his word is mud, blah blah').
I haven’t laughed that hard in a minute .. OMG
Coevett wrote:
?????????????? indeed.
Casual Observer is either lying or officially outing himself as working for Russian Intelligence.
In any case, I've take a screen shot of his defence of Hassan. I know that I'll mention it in a couple of months time and he'll accuse me of lying (and his alternative handle 'Spade Detector' will post within one minute a reply with the usual 'his word is mud, blah blah').
Lol - ask his wife.
And no, I didn't defend Hassan. Why are you lying so much, Coevett?
wait what wrote:
casual obsever wrote:
a cheat in his private life too
?????
Do tell.
See for example here:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11600782A proud Christian, he recalled the pain coming clean about his addiction had on his loving wife.
"The hurt she felt was something I never wanted to make her experience again," he said.
"Before I focused on how my addiction affected me, but it wasn't until I realised the effect it had on others, especially my wife that I committed to change."