Sifan Hassan = GOAT! 3:51.95 FROM THE FRONT!!

Doptastic wrote:

I didn’t think she was doping till this performance. It’s too good. After that 10k? After two rounds?

She's as filthy as any doper that's ever set foot on a track. Now you know officials are complicit in this artificial situation we've put up with for three decades, in terms of raw numbers and the performances from certain runners who lack speed. The best responders in some cases are the winners, as with the women's 1500.

Snowdon wrote:

The rest ran natural PBs?

From IAAF Progression Data

Debues-Stafford PB by 7.43secs

3.43, not 7.43.

Agreed once again. Their times, along with Aden runners times, should be deleted from the record books

Not quite eh wrote:

Snowdon wrote:

The rest ran natural PBs?

From IAAF Progression Data

Debues-Stafford PB by 7.43secs

3.43, not 7.43.

From last year it's more like 7 seconds. If one goes by improvements, all but Muir (who got within .5 of her PB after a season with injury) of the top 7 are as suspicious as Hassan. And regardless of this, so many times sub 3:57 put 3:52 in perspective.

And there were some huge improvements in the 5k race as well. So let's distribute suspicions a bit more evenly...

Not quite eh wrote:

Snowdon wrote:

The rest ran natural PBs?

From IAAF Progression Data

Debues-Stafford PB by 7.43secs

3.43, not 7.43.

And that 3:59.59 was a pretty yoyo, uneven race. When I saw it I said to someone "damn, Gabriela could definitely do 3:57 in an even race." I didn't expect it in a final, but I'm not that shocked she had 3:56 in her.

You aint listening.

Not even El G could go and do a hard 10000m or even a 5000m and run close to the WR in the same week.

- Runs a hard 10000m

- Comes back do prelim rounds of a 1500m, and then runs a hard 1500m close to the WR. ]

- All in the same week.

That does not happen naturally. No man has ever come close to doing that.

Hell ever Ayana tried that. She ran 10000m broke the WR, and then try to run a hard 5000m to beat Obiri, but died in the last lap......because what she was trying to do was impossible.

Does not matter that Mary was 40. She doped and got caught, so it is possibly that she was doping prior to that but just didn't caught.

Lance Armstrong never tested positive either, so your argument that no NOP races has ever tested positive holds no weight when it comes to doping.

Doptastic wrote:

I didn’t think she was doping till this performance. It’s too good. After that 10k? After two rounds?

I hate to say it, but between this & the 10k, her performances are too good to be true. That kind of dominance, in such a range of events? Hard to believe she is clean.

rojo wrote:

Doptastic wrote:

I didn’t think she was doping till this performance. It’s too good. After that 10k? After two rounds?

If we go by the how do they react when they do well theory, she was clearly clean.

It's never made any sense to met hat 14:15 type women couldn't regularly run under 3:55 as men would do that.

But what a run.

I was going to say the same. It's surprising how there have been no US women anywhere close to the best at 5K, but women like Morgan Uceny can be #1 in the world at 1500. It seems like East Africans should be running sub 3:55 on a regular basis.

Doptastic wrote:

I didn’t think she was doping till this performance. It’s too good. After that 10k? After two rounds?

Idiots come here and destroy every thread with ignorant drug accusations, and yet none of those people are banned.

To the contrary, they are encouraged to continue, to keep getting worse and worse.

Why? Because the founders do the same thing.

I sure would love for there to be a serious website about RUNNING - that is NOT focused on drugs - and where people who constantly talked about drugs would NOT be allowed to keep posting.

Again to the contrary, the founders will ban people from pointing out the truth, but never for ignorant suppositions and accusations -- which is totally shameful on their part.

JohnnyS wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Doped to the Gills. and not the GOAT.

All the runners that she had hard trouble beating, just for her to blow them away at 3.51, and the rest of them ran natural PB

Disgusting. This is up there with Ayana's run.

She lead from beginning to end, then had an extra gear in the last lap?

Not normal or natural. ....3:51? after doing the 10000m?

This is up there with Mary Decker who Hassan was patterned after By Al .....and a doper

Agreed, this is very concerning. I can’t believe the people who are defending NOP/Aden runners. She is doped beyond belief, I’m losing interest in womens distance running 1500 and up.

To me it was the way she kept turning around over the last lap to check how much she got. Kind of toying with the opposition. I am sure she can run 3.48/49 without having a 10k on her legs.... make it what you want of it people

Jo72 wrote:

Not quite eh wrote:

3.43, not 7.43.

From last year it's more like 7 seconds. If one goes by improvements, all but Muir (who got within .5 of her PB after a season with injury) of the top 7 are as suspicious as Hassan. And regardless of this, so many times sub 3:57 put 3:52 in perspective.

And there were some huge improvements in the 5k race as well. So let's distribute suspicions a bit more evenly...

ya fair enuf, year over year it was a lot. There have been a *lot* of outstanding races in many events this meet, i'm thinking the track is very very fast. Not sure how much it saves over 1500, not 5 secs though.

Snowdon wrote:

The rest ran natural PBs?

From IAAF Progression Data

Hassan PB by 4.10 secs

Kipyegon PB by 2.19secs

Tsegay PB by 3.28 secs

Houlihan PB by 2.35secs

Debues-Stafford PB by 7.43secs

Chebet PB by 0.96secs

Mageann PB by 1.31 secs

KARISSA SCHWEIZER, she took about 25 secs off here PB, so who's the doper now?

Ya ya, she underperformed/raced the last year. Same is true for many of the above.

Remember, they all have a common denominator: the pink Doha track.

Not sure if anyone else feels this way, but the way in which Salazar was busted makes me believe Hassan is clean MORE than I did before.

1. What he was busted for were infractions, not doping athletes. Of course he could've been doping athletes but that wasn't uncovered. It seems like the investigation went long enough for them to uncover that.

2. It seems as though Salazar and NOP would be more by the book and less likely to dope athletes in the middle of the investigation and appeal process.

3. Guilty by association doesn't make sense to me if you weren't associated when the crimes were committed

Previous PB 4.03.55 according to the IAAF Athlete Profile Progression - is that wrong?

Snowdon wrote:

Previous PB 4.03.55 according to the IAAF Athlete Profile Progression - is that wrong?

Yes. Her PB was 3:59.59 coming into tonight. Before then it was 4:00.26, then 4:00.47? Then 4:01. Then 4:03.

She has improved her 1500 PB at nearly every 1500 this season.

men have done more amazing things than Hasan.

Zatopek, 1952 summer Olympics, Wins 5k, 10k and marathon,( his first marathon). Sets Olympic records in all three events,

Also had to run a qualifying heat in the 5k there.

His times for 5k and 10k there were not much faster than what Hasan can run. Does anyone doubt that Hasan could run a 2:23 marathon in a few days?

Zatopek was just a better runner than everyone else then. Just like Spitz and Phelps were better swimmers.

So, ignoring possible doping, Hasan was just that much better than the runners she competed against here.

Note; I believe Zatopek was totally clean, but I have doubts about Hasan...

Snowdon wrote:

Previous PB 4.03.55 according to the IAAF Athlete Profile Progression - is that wrong?

Debues-Stafford has run at least these this year at 1500m, all but the heats under that mark:

4:01.28 (Rome)

4:00.46 (Morocco)

4:02.06 (Prefontaine)

4:00.26 (London)

3:59.59 (Zurich)

4:07.28 (Heats)

4:01.04 (Semi)

Prior to this year, the 4:03.55 was her personal best afaik.