Coevett wrote:
Her husband is Joshua Kemei...the coach of Kiptum.
F..k me! This is getting ridiculous. As others and I have said this is just a lame level of testing, catching the low lying fruit. If their testing was rigorous just imagine who they would catch? Who would have thought 3-4 years ago that Kenya was the wild west of doping?
Raddison wrote:
Hmmmmmmm wrote:
Just need the cheating Belarusian and/or either of the two Ethiopians to get popped and Shalane will have an Olympic marathon medal!
That won't happen unless the samples taken at Rio are retested using today's methods and found positive. The IAAF regulations have no provision for back dating sanctions:
IAAF:
9.1 An Anti-Doping Rule Violation in connection with an In-Competition test automatically leads to Disqualification of the Athlete's individual results obtained in that Event, with all resulting consequences, including forfeiture of any medals, titles, awards, points and prize and appearance money. In addition, further results obtained by the Athlete in other Events may be Disqualified, in accordance with Article 10.1 (same Competition) and/or Article 10.8 (subsequent Competitions).
Also it is the IOC that makes the rules regarding their medals
I got banned wrote:
casual obsever wrote:
Well, he just said this yesterday:
So, no reason for a marathon runner to dope.
Naturally, i mean EPO doesnt work on kenyans, i mean on top tier kenyans, i mean on kenyans that renato coaches. Now we know that EPO can only work on 8-1500 runners. So distance runners are mindweak, but does this mean kiprop wasnt mindweak since the God says it WILL work at 8-1500???? So many lies and loops to keep track of. Lolz
Ha! Renato's take differs from reality, just take a look at what he called me two days ago. So we now have the Gold and silver medalists from the past Olympics busted for EPO and yet it apparently doesn't help.
casual obsever wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Wonder what Canova will have to say about this one?
Well, he just said this yesterday:
Renato Canova wrote:
Blood doping is more important in SHORT DISTANCES (800 - 1500m) than in long distances.
... for a race of 2 hours the negative effects are superior of the positive effects
So, no reason for a marathon runner to dope.
Ha! Just another iconic moment in the annals of RC's LRC wisdom. Look up the praise he lavished on Kiprop during the 2017 Kenyan trials for pacing the race? Or the Kiplagat "may have been doping" moment, because RC 'didn't really know what he was up to!'
Subway Surfers wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Her husband is Joshua Kemei...the coach of Kiptum.
F..k me! This is getting ridiculous. As others and I have said this is just a lame level of testing, catching the low lying fruit. If their testing was rigorous just imagine who they would catch? Who would have thought 3-4 years ago that Kenya was the wild west of doping?
+1
It used to be Morocco was the wild west of doping in Africa but definitely Kenya has supplanted them.
Subway Surfers wrote:
Who would have thought 3-4 years ago that Kenya was the wild west of doping?
All of us? Rudisha, Kiprop, Koech, Kipkoech, Soi, Longosiwa?
Compare their times with today's Kenyan times...
Subway Surfers wrote:
Raddison wrote:
That won't happen unless the samples taken at Rio are retested using today's methods and found positive. The IAAF regulations have no provision for back dating sanctions:
Also it is the IOC that makes the rules regarding their medals
Do you know where the IOC policy on stripping medals is posted? I've looked for it but haven't been able to find anything. Based on individual cases of people being stripped of their medals it seems their policy is people are stripped if testing positive at the event, a retest of earlier samples turns up positive or there is a confession of drug use. I haven't found any cases of punitive stripping for a later failed test.
Having said that I could imagine a situation where if an athlete has tested positive prior to a games, serves their suspension and competes at the games, wins a medal and does not test positive, then shortly after does test positive, the IOC could argue that the probability is the athlete was dirty and somehow beat the system at the games.
However, my reading of the IAAF regulations (Section 10.7) treat multiple violations as stand alone violations, each punished accordingly but with increased suspension for subsequent offences. I can't find any wording that merges the suspensions and hence the forfeiting of results for the in between period.
So if the IOC does decide to strip medals from repeat offenders they will have to do it according to their own regulations, I don't think they can use the IAAF regulations as guidance.
Raddison wrote:
Do you know where the IOC policy on stripping medals is posted? I've looked for it but haven't been able to find anything. Based on individual cases of people being stripped of their medals it seems their policy is people are stripped if testing positive at the event, a retest of earlier samples turns up positive or there is a confession of drug use. I haven't found any cases of punitive stripping for a later failed test.
Having said that I could imagine a situation where if an athlete has tested positive prior to a games, serves their suspension and competes at the games, wins a medal and does not test positive, then shortly after does test positive, the IOC could argue that the probability is the athlete was dirty and somehow beat the system at the games.
However, my reading of the IAAF regulations (Section 10.7) treat multiple violations as stand alone violations, each punished accordingly but with increased suspension for subsequent offences. I can't find any wording that merges the suspensions and hence the forfeiting of results for the in between period.
So if the IOC does decide to strip medals from repeat offenders they will have to do it according to their own regulations, I don't think they can use the IAAF regulations as guidance.
Pretty sure the WADA code and CAS decisions are the controlling authorities.
They'd have to re-test their samples (I think)
casual obsever wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
Who would have thought 3-4 years ago that Kenya was the wild west of doping?
All of us? Rudisha, Kiprop, Koech, Kipkoech, Soi, Longosiwa?
Compare their times with today's Kenyan times...
Well yes but I'm alluding to the idea that they were massively genetically superior to white joggers like me ie the myth that was feed to us about running to school. It was a complete fraud.
look elsewhere wrote:
Pretty sure the WADA code and CAS decisions are the controlling authorities.
The WADA code is essentially identical to the IAAF regulations in this area, Sections 9 and 10. Punishment starts at date of positive test. I don't think the CAS would be relevant, they are an arbitration council, i.e. was the punishment too harsh? were the proper proceedings followed?
Raddison wrote:
The WADA code is essentially identical to the IAAF regulations in this area, Sections 9 and 10. Punishment starts at date of positive test. I don't think the CAS would be relevant, they are an arbitration council, i.e. was the punishment too harsh? were the proper proceedings followed?
So the "essential identical to the IAAF regulations" is your answer.
CAS doesn't publish prospective regulations, but their decisions set some parameters of what could be upheld. I'm not sure if their decisions serve as precedent in a formal basis or not (I think not as that would be a bit unusual for arbitration).
It's not fair at all that only Russia paid for this.! Let's ban them from all competitions, and also Ethiopia of course, there is no
one that is clean, then add age cheaters, at the last World cross country championships there was in Under 18 race some Ethiopians guy well in their 30's!!!! Is this sport??? I dont think so. they are playing another type of game!!!
Get out from competitions!
Bluesky wrote:
It's not fair at all that only Russia paid for this.! Let's ban them from all competitions, and also Ethiopia of course, there is no
one that is clean, then add age cheaters, at the last World cross country championships there was in Under 18 race some Ethiopians guy well in their 30's!!!! Is this sport??? I dont think so. they are playing another type of game!!!
Get out from competitions!
Russia’s doping was state-sponsored. The IAAF is okay with widespread individual-sponsored doping, apparently.
Corvette Convertible with a Tire Rack wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Not annoyed, LOL! Everybody knows here you'll be getting up in the middle of the night later and posting your bestiality fantasies again in a furious rage.
Whoa. Your response seems a bit out of proportion to the question. It's evening here and I'm not angry. Was just curious. I'm about as un east African as you can be and I figure doping is rampant there - I'd dope too if it lifted me and my family out of poverty. But if I did dope I'd still struggle to get a age group podium at a local 5k.
Other posts indicate you are a non competitive masters runner, which makes me all the more curious why you have so much passion for this subject.
You don't have to be mean about a simple question. Geesh.
Seriously? Read your initial question- I'd have been a d!ck in my response to you as well. Keep your eyes on your own fries.
Yeah, as if any true fan of the sport says, "so Kenyans cheat, so what get over it", when Olympic medallists are being busted left, right and center.
Subway Surfers wrote:
They'd have to re-test their samples (I think)
Yes...definitely; they'll re-test the samples from Rio and the 2015 WC at Beijing where she took bronze behind Dibaba & H. Kiprop (Sumgong was 4th):
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_World_Championships_in_Athletics_%E2%80%93_Women%27s_marathonThey'll probably also analyze the blood samples from both events looking for any hematological anomalies. Remember Jeptoo's case where she tested hot OOC for EPO 2 weeks before Chicago/2014. About 6 months earlier she smoked Boston setting a CR but didn't test hot for anything IC. However, the IAAF anti-doping experts retrospectively examined her ABP data from the race and detected hematological anomalies sufficient enough to strip her of the title and flush the time.
If you change your nationality for money without actually living in that country, as was the case with Kirwa, it's no great step to assume you'd, being willing to switch your nationality for money without having anything to do with the other country, also be willing to dope. There have been a lot of cases of doped fake nationalized athletes running for Gulf countries. But there is a deep doping problem in Kenya and Ethiopia and we are starting to see that because of doping, distance running has been a farce on the world elite level since at least the mid 1990s.
zxcvzxcv wrote:
If you change your nationality for money without actually living in that country, as was the case with Kirwa, it's no great step to assume you'd, being willing to switch your nationality for money without having anything to do with the other country, also be willing to dope. There have been a lot of cases of doped fake nationalized athletes running for Gulf countries.
And the people who coach them as well....??? Wonder who has coached in a gulf country?
fsfasfsd wrote:
Hmmmmmmm wrote:
Just need the cheating Belarusian and/or either of the two Ethiopians to get popped and Shalane will have an Olympic marathon medal!
The article states that they are not likely to lose their Olympic medals because the drug test occurred after the Olympics.
Shouldn't matter. If they get done, all their results should be whacked and everyone else moves up a place. Medals a cheap. Credibility and justice is well worth it