Can someone explain why the world is outraged when the Saudi king oks the death of 1 guy when Putin does it all the time?

John Utah wrote:

Just wonderin'. wrote:

John U, have you ever thought of using Google before you post?

OMG! I took a guess on a quote I’ve heard before and I it appears got it wrong. Once.

Really, dude?

Haha, the line was hooked, baited and cast and you bit.

But, "Once"?, really dude?

Yeah, really. wrote:

John Utah wrote:

OMG! I took a guess on a quote I’ve heard before and I it appears got it wrong. Once.

Really, dude?

Haha, the line was hooked, baited and cast and you bit.

But, "Once"?, really dude?

Congratulations??

Can someone please explain why the administration of a great running website has veered off into politics (and no runners in sight in the posting)? Please leave this a running website. I get doused with Trump crap and world news everywhere else. And then I have to read insane comments of folks who think the Clintons secretly murder people, just in time to stop me from thinking folks focused on running might have more operative brain cells and perceptiveness than average. But I digress. Running. Running. I want the focus there. Who is/was better, Bekele or Gebrselassie or Kipchoge? Who should rate number one in the women’s 1500m? That’s the kind outrage and confusion I would rather we stick with. Lets Run, after all.

kiowavt wrote:

And then I have to read insane comments...

Really dude, you have to?

To quote the Brojo's:

"The message boards are where all those conversations you have on your runs continue when you get back from the run."

FMD, I've been on a runs where we've solved the problems of the world during a ten mile run, so what's the difference with doing it here.

Don't like the subject heading?, don't click on it. Don't like the pricks you run with because of their subject matter?, don't run with them, no difference.

The "suspicious circumstances" of dead Putin opponents are a media invention. He is wildly popular and has no need to knock off opponents.

Khashoggi was killed because he double-crossed his Saudi intelligence handlers by working for the CIA. That's why the US media (largely run by the CIA propaganda wing) threw a fit over it. Though, strictly speaking, there's no proof he was killed at all, and the steady stream of unsubstantiated innuendo has all the trappings of a media fabrication too.

And let's not begrudge the United States of its countless victims too obscure to count. US military today admitted they've killed well over 1000 innocent civilians with airstrikes in Syria since 2014. Had to fight Daesh, yeah, yeah, well how about not arming Daesh in the first place? Charity starts at home; clean up your own house before looking for evil in someone else's.

rojo wrote:

I've seriously been confused by the outrage. I think to myself, "How do you think despots stay in power in the year 2018?"

Is it because the guy killed himself often wrote as a journalist? I was thinking that but haven given it some more thought I think it's more because of the bold way it was done - in another country - combined with the fact that the guy was a known journalist of sorts.

What explains it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/23/here-are-ten-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-violently-or-in-suspicious-ways/?utm_term=.fd7e831d1705

I may be missing your point, but it isn't at all confusing to me that a strong word power should feel (and must choice) outrage when one of it's residents is murdered by a foreign state. This is especially true in this case in which the victim is a respected resident on a genius visa working for a US company, and a father of several US citizens.

Since my Swype made that unreadable . . .

I may be missing your point, but it isn't at all confusing to me that a strong WORLD power should feel (and must VOICE) outrage when one of it's residents is murdered by a foreign state. This is especially true in this case in which the victim is a respected resident on a genius visa, working for a US company -- and a father of several US citizens.

Threads like this explain a lot about American politics. You really should stick to running.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Though, strictly speaking, there's no proof he was killed at all, and the steady stream of unsubstantiated innuendo has all the trappings of a media fabrication too.

You are an idiot. The Saudi government admitted killing him. That’s proof. Stop trying to change fact. It’s people like you that need locking up with your lies and propaganda.

rojo wrote:

I've seriously been confused by the outrage. I think to myself, "How do you think despots stay in power in the year 2018?"

Is it because the guy killed himself often wrote as a journalist? I was thinking that but haven given it some more thought I think it's more because of the bold way it was done - in another country - combined with the fact that the guy was a known journalist of sorts.

What explains it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/23/here-are-ten-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-violently-or-in-suspicious-ways/?utm_term=.fd7e831d1705

The Obama Death List

Not my area of speciality but to chime in on this:

1. Ally and human rights: Saudi Arabia is a US ally contrary to Russia and the efforts of past administrations were focused on improving SA's human rights records. After initial improvements after MBS - even though they are very shallow if you look more closely (women are allowed to drive but need their husband to get them a driver's license) - this represents a stark set back.

2. Conduct: Killing an individual on foreign soil as brazenly as MBS did it just cries for outrage.

3. Turkey: Doing it in Turkey was a ridiculous idea. SA is improving ties with Israel, while Israel's ties with Turkey have deteriorated over a variety of issues as Erdogan has become more Islamic. Further, Erdogan is incentivized to call out HR violations by other countries to mask his own (consider how the Turkish media focuses on the Gilet Jaune protests in France with Erdogan stating that now truly no country can tell Turkey what to do when it comes to human rights).

4. Timing: The murder coincided with a number of other attacks on journalists in a year that has seen an overall turn towards greater hostility towards a free press internationally. Hence, the murder received more attention.

5. Cover-up attempts: The way that SA tried to downplay it just was an obvious web of lies and the continued release of more information just made the whole thing news worthy.

6. Yemen: There already was some attention on SA due to its conflict in Yemen in which the US is involved through refueling operations and arms sales and which is a giant HR catastrophe.

There are probably some other issues and I am not an expert on this but I hope this helps.

Because you must understand, he was a journalist. Working for the Washington Post. That's what's important, not the tens of thousands (conservative estimate) killed by the US in the Middle East in the last 16 years.

rojo wrote:

I've seriously been confused by the outrage. I think to myself, "How do you think despots stay in power in the year 2018?"

Is it because the guy killed himself often wrote as a journalist? I was thinking that but haven given it some more thought I think it's more because of the bold way it was done - in another country - combined with the fact that the guy was a known journalist of sorts.

What explains it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/23/here-are-ten-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-violently-or-in-suspicious-ways/?utm_term=.fd7e831d1705

This is because everyone knows that Russians are sub-humans with a morally bankrupt, disgusting culture and, thus, it is expected that they will act accordingly. The only culture more pathetic and unethical than Russia is China. Facts!

I don't thin this question is silly. People get outraged by, and pay attention to, things in ways that don't follow clear rules. So it's interesting to tease them out. My take:

1) There was a perception that MBS was liberalizing Saudi Arabia:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/09/a-saudi-princes-quest-to-remake-the-middle-east

or

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/23/opinion/saudi-prince-mbs-arab-spring.html

: "Perfect is not on the menu here. Someone had to do this job — wrench Saudi Arabia into the 21st century — and M.B.S. stepped up. I, for one, am rooting for him to succeed in his reform efforts." So I think a lot of people in the 'chattering classes' feel duped or like they were personally betrayed by him.

2) This wasn't just any journalist, it was a Washington Post reporter. I think reporters probably felt a sense of identity with him and many of them probably knew him.

3) It was especially brazen and had many layers of intrigue piled on (the Saudi coverup, the shifting stories, the Turkish government's involvement, etc.)

4) It's easy to judge that a single murder of a friend is wrong. Apparently it's harder for people to judge that war and starvation-as-a-tactic are wrong, probably because they've seen their own governments do it in their lifetimes.

Like those that are outraged by a perceived Obama lie that aren't bothered when Trump lies all the time.

One radical muslim propagandist butchered by a slightly different strain of radical muslim propagandists... rojo is quite right to ask why it was such a big story

Accept it and get over it. wrote:

Allen53 wrote:

Would you like a list of all the countries the US has invaded over the past century and the accompanying death tolls?

As for the OP I guess the thousands of Yemenis that have been slaughtered don't count?

None of those count, war is war and it ain't pretty.

They certainly do count. Your shallow comment about "war is war..." does not take into account the causes for it and outright invasions and aggressions against sovereign nations are not wars they are mass slaughters and imperial conquests. Maybe try to connect a few dots though I won't be holding my breathe.

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Please explain to me. What is the difference?

Ignorant wrote:

You are remarkably stupid. It's a big deal because we are the Saudi ally in the middle East. We aren't military allies with Russia.

Seriously, your stupid posts reek of crazy stupid uncle.

Although a little harsh to rojo, but this sums it up.

Russia is not an ally. Saudi Arabia is an ally.

Additionally the murders of Russian journalists do get tons of attention.