Is plant-based diet truly the best for running?

Of course we reference the Maasai...(due to many things) their life expectancy is only 40-50 years usually. That is important though. Keep up a high fat, high protein (animal meat based diet in keto) and most people after 40-50 years are likely going to have higher rates of heart disease/stroke/type II diabetes and/or some sort of cancer. There is a reason people don't stay keto long term (it is more a new fad diet with Paleo/Atkins etc. Of course there are major lifestyle factors that can influence that kind of correlation. What the Maasai have going for them is a lot of physical activity. Now onto the second point: If it is "all about calories" in regards to the obesity epidemic in the US then why promote eating a lot of fat (9 kcal/gram) compared to a lot of carbs (only 4kcal/gram). Of course highly refined things (oils, added refined sugar, refined grains) add caloric density. Actually the oils are bad mainly because they are high fat. Like the food guide always said "use sparingly." Then of course we eat massive serving sizes in all sorts of meals and don't exercise enough. Duh. But realize (like fats) not all carbs are created equal. Basic science shows the human body runs really well on carbs and they are great at fueling the brain. Highly trained E. African marathoners who eat a high carb diet (with a lot of vegetables and ugali etc) are great fat burners because of their high mileage, aerobic training. There have been plenty of populations and individuals throughout history that have thrived on a vegetarian or near vegetarian (plant based, high carb low fat) diet and lived to be 80-90 years and very healthy. Give me a real life example of a population that has been high animal fat/high protein keto and lived for 80-90 years and thrived? I never said a plant based diet is truly best for running....I'm just saying it is at least on par with any "balanced omnivore's " diet. People have the misconception that us vegans/vegetarians can't be healthy for some reason. It's already been shown to be a sustainable and healthy diet!

High protein, high fat, moderate-low carb = great 'health' wrote:

lmaolmaolmao wrote:

Average american consumes 20% of there calories from grains, and 20% from vegetable oils. But let's blame meat for obesity. Also, here's what a true meat eating population looks like:

https://www.google.com/search?q=maasai&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiT1-yas6DfAhUFhOAKHdI6BFUQ_AUIDigB&biw=1242&bih=597https://www.businessinsider.com/daily-calories-americans-eat-increase-2016-07#grains-including-barley-wheat-rice-rye-maize-and-cereal-account-for-more-than-20-of-daily-caloric-intake-5

Exactly. The American masses of prior generations weren't experiencing the obesity epidemic, and they were consuming meats at the same levels of today.

It IS absolutely about calorie intake, and the carb-loaded current lifestyles are the problem.

Is that after adjusting for infant mortality rate? Bet you did not know the infant mortality rate was so high in the Maasai didn't consider a baby to be human until the age of three months. Is this after accounting for infectious diseases? Is this after accounting for the dangerous lives they lived? So many different factors. You do know how much shorter the average american life expectancy be if we did not have running/clean water? You do know how how much shorter the average american life expectancy be if not for modern medicine? But let us ignore all these different factors for your vegan agenda.

S. Canaday wrote:

Of course we reference the Maasai...(due to many things) their life expectancy is only 40-50 years usually.

Hey sage, you know how you went to Cornell. Well, here is what a professor from Cornell.

“Those whose ancestry derives from vegetarians are more likely to carry genetics that more rapidly metabolize plant fatty acids,” said Tom Brenna, professor of human nutrition at Cornell. “In such individuals, vegetable oils will be converted to the more pro-inflammatory arachidonic acid, increasing the risk for chronic inflammation that is implicated in the development of heart disease, and exacerbates cancer. The mutation appeared in the human genome long ago, and has been passed down through the human family.”

Also, interesting to note Hong Kong.

I just ate a Hardees Double Cheeseburger after my 27 mile treadmill run today. I did mix in a vegetable though but they didn't give me that many French fries.

I do have to add that the Sage Canaberry from Spring Energy are pretty awesome. Tastes great and not a sticky mess like the gu. The Longhaul was like eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich without the bread.

Sage is quite correct that in this day and age you can get proper nutrition from a 100% plant based diet. A big "however" is that it is very challenging and requires careful consideration of the proportions of various vegetables/plants required to get all of the necessary amino acids for good nutrition. Plant starches are great for the "fuel" to operate our muscles, but it is significantly easier to eat a reasonable percentage of animal protein to get necessary and more efficient building blocks for the amino acids required to build and maintain muscle by the human body. Agriculture is a relatively recent phenomenon in human evolution. There is a metabolic reason that our ancestors were hunter/gatherers form most of the millenia of human evolution.

S. Canaday wrote:

I never said a plant based diet is truly best for running....I'm just saying it is at least on par with any "balanced omnivore's " diet. People have the misconception that us vegans/vegetarians can't be healthy for some reason. It's already been shown to be a sustainable and healthy diet!

Exactly Sage

Veggie runner wrote:

S. Canaday wrote:

I never said a plant based diet is truly best for running....I'm just saying it is at least on par with any "balanced omnivore's " diet. People have the misconception that us vegans/vegetarians can't be healthy for some reason. It's already been shown to be a sustainable and healthy diet!

Exactly Sage

Proof how healthy a veggie diet is, just look at the amazing transformation it can have on your body.

That is exactly why I wrote "due to many things" because I knew of their high infant mortality rate. Ever think that their diet may be related to some of their health issues that cause a shorter life expectancy though? It is still likely that socio economic class is most highly correlated with life expectancy...as a matter of having access and money for basic health care/technology is always essential. I'll admit to that. Then you (or some other person) cite links and articles from bloggers from"beef magazine". Seriously? Re: the one about vegetable oils. I never said vegetable oils were healthy! I said cut the oils to cut fat/calories! Rancid oil is a big concern for cancer. Again, the only oil I ever take (besides the occasional olive oil for cooking/eating out) is a small amount of DHA algae based flax...just for the omega source and in very limited amounts. Finally a note about the amino acids/protein: There is no concern about getting enough protein on a plant based diet if one is eating a variety of legumes and enough calories. Why are people still so obsessed with protein?! Most Americans eat way too much protein. Want to talk about agendas? Think of how much money (including government subsidies) that is tied up in the beef/dairy industry in a country like the US. Billions. So maybe you should take what you read in "Beef Magazine" with a grain of salt (pun intended).

a bunch of vegan non sense wrote:

Is that after adjusting for infant mortality rate? Bet you did not know the infant mortality rate was so high in the Maasai didn't consider a baby to be human until the age of three months. Is this after accounting for infectious diseases? Is this after accounting for the dangerous lives they lived? So many different factors. You do know how much shorter the average american life expectancy be if we did not have running/clean water? You do know how how much shorter the average american life expectancy be if not for modern medicine? But let us ignore all these different factors for your vegan agenda.

S. Canaday wrote:

Of course we reference the Maasai...(due to many things) their life expectancy is only 40-50 years usually.

Kenyan runners eat meat and are the best runners in the world. End of debate.

S. Canaday wrote:

Then you (or some other person) cite links and articles from bloggers from"beef magazine". Seriously?

There are many different links to Hong Kong, I just choose beef magazine because I knew it would trigger you. Here's leftist CNN on Hong Kong.

No.

maybe the cecus guy will... wrote:

Thanks for starting this. We will surely come to a consensus on this topic unlike the previous 493 threads on this topic with the same people saying the same thing thousands upon thousands of times.

LOL

Lydiard Cerutty wrote:

Here's more garbage

Please add the block feature wrote:

You're so stupid, that I'm just going to skip your posts from now on.

Attention Brojos, please add the block feature so we can block certain posters. Thanks

You know i was actually in Hong Kong a little over a week ago...a lot of new vegan places were popping up downtown. Even got an Impossible Burger. Teslas everywhere....and the Model 3 hasn't even arrived yet! So that CNN article mentions a ton of factors that might influence longevity.....not just diet. Much like in stating the Maasai have a life expectancy of only 45-50 years, I can't attribute that low number directly all to diet (although I think there is a high correlation). Notably it was written that 70% of the current population came from mainland China and ate "traditional cuisine"..people in Asia generally eat a lot of vegetables and rice and have for generations. I also lived in Japan for a year. Sure they eat meat as well, but for sure not "low carb keto" and in HK probably more seafood. They eat a lot of fruit also. I was amazed at the local farmers market in Central Hong Kong last week...everyday! There are also a lot of relatively affluent expats in Hong Kong also...tying into the average income and access to fairly advanced health care/technology we generally see direct correlations with higher averages in life expectancy. But there are a lot of factors at play (access to trails/being physically active, access to older relatives, social times etc). Most people live in relatively small apartments so it is better to be out and about moving and interacting. Hong Kong also has the highest number of billionaires I believe.

read beef mag, not veggie mag wrote:

S. Canaday wrote:

Then you (or some other person) cite links and articles from bloggers from"beef magazine". Seriously?

There are many different links to Hong Kong, I just choose beef magazine because I knew it would trigger you. Here's leftist CNN on Hong Kong.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/02/health/hong-kong-world-longest-life-expectancy-longevity-intl/index.html

not seen on Forks Over Knives

SAGE CANDIDA,

please stop!!!