Over-50 runners doing >50MPW?

P.S. I credit lots of soft surface running with being able to keep the miles up. About 80 percent is "off road."

Q: Dave Hill, is this "the" Dave Hill, or are you another "the" Dave Hill?

If I'm running 120 to 140, I run 14 to 15 in the first run

in the early morning. Last week it was around 55F, so I

took advantage of it.

Plus, it would appear that Lydiards single runs would

average 14 to 15 miles at a good effort.

sorry for the confusion. I am keeping a log and well, I guess it needs some work because I just copied what I worte! LOL1

Now I'm doing

Last week

Day 1)10 miles

Day 2) 5 miles am/10 miles in the afteroon

Day 3)2 mile warm up 5 x 100 strides 3 mile, 2 mile, 1 mile 5 minute float between each warm down 2.5 miles (18:23) 12:45, 6:20...felt rough other than the first 3 miles

Day 4)5 miles in the morning, 10 miles in the afternoon

Day 5) off

Day 6)16 miles

include pickups 1',1',1',1',1',5', enroute every 10 minutes

Day 7)10 miles

Day 8) 5miles in the morning,10 miles in the afternoon

Day 9)10 miles relaxed

Day 10)warm up 2 miles 5 100 strides 2x2k, 2 miles, 2x2k.. averaged 6:15's felt fat and slow, first high humidity day...

Day 11)7 miles

Day 12) 20 miles 1',1',12',1',2',6;', enroute every 10 minutes. (tomorrow)

did the 20 miler this morning...I thought I was playing possum, but I wasn't...ROAD KILL! went out too late and started off great and it got to me around 14...I was a slug coming in, but not as bad as I could have been but still...splatt! Feel great now, a little food, alot water, a little nap does wonders!

I normally try to aim for 55 mpw, sometimes I'll hit 62, some weeks it is more like 48-52. I have been fighting the injury bug, I tend to train a bit harder on slow days than I should. I am trying to drill it into my brain that it is better to undertrain just a bit and stay healthy as opposed to trying to get into top fitness but push too hasd and fall off the edge and get hurt.

Consistency has been my ally for the past 15 years. If I don't get too far out of shape, it is easier to come back. Knock on wood, these legs have over 100,000 miles on them so they need to be rested occassionally. I am thinking about instituting a forced day off every 10th day, just to give them a break. Unfortunately my mind still thinks we can do 2 a days and run 75 quuality miles every week.

I think the legs will win that battle from here on out.

Charlie

51 years young

Growing old is manditory, growing up is optional.

Malmo,

I'm not sure who you mean by "the" Dave Hill. It's a relatively common name. There was a top US golfer named Dave Hill, also one of the guitarists in Slade (I hasten to add that I was not a fan), and also I believe a top advisor to Tony Blair.....

This Dave Hill used to run for Sunderland Harriers way back in the 1980's and, since 1990, for Thames Hare & Hounds. Moved from London to Tucson a couple of years ago....

Heather in Tillamook here!

I just started back after about 9 years off, kid ,life, injuries, etc. I'm coaching at the high school here and the thing that kills me is I can't keep up with my varsity boys anymore on the road. Can still hang with the rookies and girls though! It seems a lot harder for those us us who started running back in the 70's to hammer. I will take your advice and not worry about running slow , coach!

"Growing old is manditory, growing up is optional."

LOL!

Hi runamook,

congratulations on coming back... Hang in there, it's worth it. Bit of a grind in the beginning. Have been running 9 months and I feel fantastic. (well, relatively).

this is totally unrelated to this board...sorry, but I saw something on e-bay about a race looking for a sponsor (thank you Adam Nelson) and bidding has already started with a $5.00 bid from malmo 123...is that you malmo?

ttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5981489935&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:

your'e not from Quincy, are you?

actually this is the second comeback for me. I quit in '78 (due to injuries, health, life eventually kid #1 etc.) then did comeback number 1 in '88 which went well until about '94.

just ran a decent 6 miler and felt pretty good. Getting the miles back up is my focus now.! fun board this , isn't it?

BINGO! YUP! It's me...small world...so you ran a decent 6 miler..in a race!!? What you kidding me...you can race?

I need some more time and $ to enter...tehy're expenseive. I'm sorta of Rip Van Winkle here...I haven't been around the sport for years to find out that the local races are costing 15-20 $..I almost choked...So, I need to make sure I can get my $ back...Same as it ever was...LOL!

No, not a race! just my first 6 mile run in a month! (I had a minor MCL tear that has kept me off the roads). I'm going to do my first 10 k race in July, there, now I've got it in writing.

Hey, are there anymore dinosaurs we know out on this board? Thsi is kind of fun.

Looking for San Fernando Valley TC and old late 70's ducks.

Hi Dave:

Met you in Firenze in 1985 when you were invited to run the Marathon there - I think you were a 2:20 type runner at the time.

Then I was very respectful of all your many good years running for Thames Hare and Hounds, and your very competitive record.

It is curious that someone who has always run high mileage has surived throught the years - most get injured - like Hugh Arnold (your clubmate) - who came down to train at my house in the South of France in his early fifties (he could run 32:50 - 10km as a 54 year old!).

Just curious - what happened to Hugh Arnold?

Also, what type of Immigration tips might you have for moving to the States on a permanent basis. I am originally from Britain myself, but moved to Canada as an Immigrant in 1998, gaining Canadian Citizenship in 2002, but would prefer to move somewhere warmer and more conducive to outdoor sports. My profession in Canada is Certified Teacher of English and French (Second Language Education).

Thanks and good running, Dave.

Hey Ghost,

Good to hear from you....

Was it 1985 or 1986 ? My memory is a bit hazy and I'm at work right now, so don't have access to my training logs. I ran the Firenze marathon twice - ran badly both times unfortunately, so don't have happy memories of the race !!

My years of high mileage did take a toll in the end. My running went on the slide from about 1996, due to bad bunions, caused by years over over-pronation. Eventually, it got to the stage where I couldn't run hard without pain and couldn't sleep after hard workouts because my feet were so sore. Tried orthotics and they helped a bit but in the end I opted for surgery (April 2002). This involved removing the bunions and also severing the first metatarsal on both feet, then inserting a bone graft to straighten my feet out again, so that they had a 'normal' shape. It's been a long hard road back from there (partly due to a nasty post-surgery infection), but I'm finally at a stage where my body will sustain hard training again. Maybe I'm into a cycle which will build up the bunions again - I don't know, but I'll take the risk, if it means I can run well again (of course running "well" is all relative at this stage of life - I'm happy these days if I avoid running a personal worst every time I race).

Hugh Arnold - now there's a character if ever there was one - and a talented runner too. As far as I know, he's still running, but he tends to disappear off to the Philippine's for extended periods, so maybe he's there at the moment, because I haven't heard mention of him for a while, either in "AW" or on the Thames' web site.

My best tip for immigration into the US is to marry an American citizen - which is what I did, although with no thought at the time that I would end up over here. In fact, when we married, Michele moved from LA to London and we lived there for 9 years before making the move back... I don't know how hard is is for a Canadian citizen to move here, but I work for a Canadian company and there are several Canadians who have made the move down here...most have not regretted it, especially in winter time.

Let me know, if you are ever in this neck of the woods...

Take it easy

Dave

You must be the Charlie Gray who a couple times ran great at the Midnight Madness 25K in Ames, Iowa. This would have been 1981, 1982 -- along in there. Didn't Mark Curp win it one of those years with you close behind? I'm not anyone you know, but I'm glad to see you're still at it!

Let the varsity boys go. Your legs will thank you. I'm glad to see you returning to the roads. Just remember hammering was for your youth. Now you need to use the wisdom that comes from years of running.

It isn't easy to slow down in tarining. I had to learn the hard way myself.

Yep, the same running fool.

Could not understand why anyone would want to race a 25k in July in the dark? Strange race and then to finish the race at midnight just added to the uniqueness. I see they have toned it down to a 10k these days.

Yeah, I'm going to have to! I had a 14 year old freshman run 9:50 3k and 4:34 1500 this season. I stole him from the football team and his name is Alberto, how sweet is that?

He's running cross for me this fall.