MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:
So if Rupp wins AND sets the AR, will the Rupp-haters FINALLY shut the f* up?
He's already run really fast and beaten faster (by PRs) runners and that wasn't enough to shut them up, so I'm guessing a Chicago win and beating Mo wouldn't either.
No, I still won't like him. My "hatred" isn't based on him being a slow or poor runner - he is quite successful.
rojo wrote:
Why? I think the rabbit help Rupp if anything. Mo is the greatest tactical championship distance runner arguably in history. If anyone would want it to turn into a 10k, it would be Mo. We KNOW for a fact Mo is way way better at 10k. We don't know who is a better marathoner.
24 26:44.36 Galen Rupp USA 08.05.86 1 Eugene 30.05.2014
28 26:46.57 Mohamed Farah GBR 23.03.83 1 Eugene 03.06.2011
DC Wonk wrote:
Rojo, how could you possibly compare Rupp to Lance? Armstrong is the poster child for extreme Type A, Alpha Male who would stop at nothing at achieve his goals. Rupp has none of that. I'm convinced that Rupp's deep and seemingly sincere Christian faith and family has prevented him from straight-up doping. Rupp knows he would bring extreme shame on his family in addition to himself, and that would never be acceptable. Rupp is the proverbial choir boy of elite running.
LA respected nobody but the few racers he felt worthy of being respected by him....
Ding, ding, ding.
Is Noah Droddy in it? Cool Cat - best facial hair since Bedford.
I'm taking Yuki. Farah second, Rupp third.
Fentrekker wrote:
Scorpion_runner wrote:
There is nothing scripted about pacemakers. It forces all runners to RUN, and the runner with the best endurance wins.
Sit and kick races, or non -paced races are more scripted, because you know who the kickers are, and who is going to win with 5 miles to go.
In a blazing race, you don't know who the casualties will be, and something unexpected always happens : Adola hanging with Kipchoge. Kipsang DNFing. Wanjurui outlasting Bekele.
Same thing on the track: No pacers, runners all bunched together, I already know how it is going to end with 800m to go. the kickers are going to take over and turn it into a 400m race.
No one wants to see a 10k or 5k marathon. I want to see runners running from beginning to end.
London, Berlin and Dubai are equally boring races to many of us. I don't know how long you have been watching marathons. I saw my first in 1967. Are you seriously claiming that paced races are unscripted? I will concur that you don't know who will win any particular race (paced or not), and as far as that goes, I don't really care who wins as much as I care how the race plays out. Paced races sometimes have drama, but often they do not. I think what is ruining the marathon is this obsession with speed and time. Why do we judge a race based on the finishing time and the fact that the drama is established within the context of pacing? Quite frankly, paced races privilege one type of runner. I would much rather an even playing field in which the guys who thought they had a better chance with a 4:40 pace bore the responsibility of taking that on themselves. The primary source if interest in any sport is that one does not know what will happen. Un-paced events have a greater chance of playing out differently from one year to the next. I have seen every Boston Marathon since '67. Some years a lone wolf takes it from middle and wins by a mile. Other years we have nail-biting close finishes, such as Rodgers versus Wells in '78, or Salazar and Beardsley in '82. Each way the race plays out is somewhat unique and interesting within the context of the day. There has been drama at the flat, paced races you mention--Chicago, London, Berlin, and Dubai--but the scope of variety is vastly smaller and for my money, vastly less interesting.
I completely agree with your various points. I suspect that Scorpion_runner, like many who have been introduced to the marathon during the age of paced time-trials, hasn't seen many unpaced marathons with highly competitive fields.
I'm not surprised by the decision to go with pacers in this case. Rupp wants the American record, but almost no one has demonstrated the ability to run under 2:06 on a record-quality course in an unpaced race, and going after the record without pacers would set up Rupp to be taken down by someone like Farah in the absence of a tacit agreement to share pacemaking duties. Still, I'm disappointed, and I think that the decision to use pacers undermines Carey Pinkowski's past statements about the reasons for getting rid of pacers in the first place.
I agree. Galen wants to beat Mo so bad. Galen has a bit more confidence with his latest Races. He was good at 10 ks. But Galen is a much better marathoner. Here is is moment to shine. If it’s a good day he will be champ.
He will but as returning champ it’s probably more $. So he will run Chicago.
Yeah but one race won’t prove much Evan if Mo wins. I still think Galen is a better marathoner. But we will see.
They just hate to hate. Hater dudes. Hate hate hate.
rojo wrote:
Why? I think the rabbit help Rupp if anything. Mo is the greatest tactical championship distance runner arguably in history. If anyone would want it to turn into a 10k, it would be Mo. We KNOW for a fact Mo is way way better at 10k. We don't know who is a better marathoner.
way way better? Last time I checked, Rupp's 10000m PR remains 2 seconds faster than Farah's.
Back Bay '75 wrote:
Down with pacers. Really stupid decision.
Amen to that! Surprised no one is talking about this. To me, it's the main takeaway from this announcement. / And I'm not a curmudgeon but I find the both of them very hard to root for. I'll wait for the rest of the elite field to be announced and find another athlete, one less coddled, to pull for.
I'm arguing with nikeman about this right now. He says Rupp would beat Farah, I say Farah beats Rupp. Farah hasn't won a marathon, but he's raced against better competition. Plus the wildcard is DNS/DNF which would automatically make the other the "winner" as long as they stay in the race.
DC Wonk wrote:
Rojo, how could you possibly compare Rupp to Lance? Armstrong is the poster child for extreme Type A, Alpha Male who would stop at nothing at achieve his goals. Rupp has none of that. I'm convinced that Rupp's deep and seemingly sincere Christian faith and family has prevented him from straight-up doping. Rupp knows he would bring extreme shame on his family in addition to himself, and that would never be acceptable. Rupp is the proverbial choir boy of elite running.
LA respected nobody but the few racers he felt worthy of being respected by him....
1) Watch this.
https://youtu.be/6IEvejBe5mI?t=1m31sA Christian woman thanking God for her doped up victory.
In case you aren't aware, a big part of Christianity is we are all sinners and need to ask for forgiveness. Is this very Christian?
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2014/02/alberto-salazar-gabe-grunewalds-husband-get-f-face/2) But let's assume your argument that he's incapable of doping due to his faith, well he could be unknowingly doped. Andro gel could be rubbed in during the massages, testoboost could be actually testosersone, and the LCarnitine could be over the legal limit.
Geez not the L-Carnitine again!?!?! Every time I hear that word I cringe - what a joke of an allegation...
Wasn’t it Alberto who said that Rupp had more slow twitch muscle fibers then Mo, that’s why Mo didn’t have a good marathon when he did his first one.
Take it they both make it to the race healthy, I’m going with Galen for the win and AR in high 2:04s and Mo low 2:05s.
I completely agree with your various points. I suspect that Scorpion_runner, like many who have been introduced to the marathon during the age of paced time-trials, hasn't seen many unpaced marathons with highly competitive fields.
I'm not surprised by the decision to go with pacers in this case. Rupp wants the American record, but almost no one has demonstrated the ability to run under 2:06 on a record-quality course in an unpaced race, and going after the record without pacers would set up Rupp to be taken down by someone like Farah in the absence of a tacit agreement to share pacemaking duties. Still, I'm disappointed, and I think that the decision to use pacers undermines Carey Pinkowski's past statements about the reasons for getting rid of pacers in the first place.
Agree.
Interesting.
There are several moderators posting under different names throwing shade on Nike and Rupp.
Does that surprise any regular LRC visitors...?
Ah, no.
Weak LRC.
So weak.
txRUNNERgirl wrote:
I'm arguing with nikeman about this right now. He says Rupp would beat Farah, I say Farah beats Rupp. Farah hasn't won a marathon, but he's raced against better competition. Plus the wildcard is DNS/DNF which would automatically make the other the "winner" as long as they stay in the race.
Let's assume they're both in April/May shape, if the pace is hard and fast I think Rupp will win, he has better high speed economy but if the pace drops to a dawdle Mo will out sprint anyone.
HahaRiiiiiiight wrote:
Geez not the L-Carnitine again!?!?! Every time I hear that word I cringe - what a joke of an allegation...
I very much doubt that was all that was in it.