RUTH JEBET EMBROILED IN DRUG SCANDAL!!!

Guys, this whole thing is silly. EPO doesn't work on Kenyans, so there is no point in even testing for it. I know because a prominent coach of many very fast Kenyans told me so.

The world record and gold medal are just a result of Kenyan's mindset and harder work than everyone else. Obviously. The EPO must be for some other reason, and even if it was taken by her to make her run fast, she was mistaken, as it doesn't work on her (her being a Kenyan and all).

Most africans are doping. If you a poor african farmer its just logical to take anything you can. You have nothing to lose and much to win. If you get caught after some time you still Made more money than you could have in all your life

Hohoho wrote:

What freakin world do you live in? You think Barringer dopes? Thus Coburn? How do they relate to a dirty Kenyan? These American girls get tested so often. I don’t believe the USA distance women are at all suspect.

Not suspect? The kissing Guy? Wilson the doping queen. Ncaa without testing is basically hooking the athletes on drugs?

40 caught dopers in the past five years despite enormous corruption and weak or non-existent in-country testing means you have a major doping problem.

Usadopongnation wrote:

Hohoho wrote:

What freakin world do you live in? You think Barringer dopes? Thus Coburn? How do they relate to a dirty Kenyan? These American girls get tested so often. I don’t believe the USA distance women are at all suspect.

Not suspect? The kissing Guy? Wilson the doping queen. Ncaa without testing is basically hooking the athletes on drugs?

Okay then...what's the gig with the NCAA? Do they test or not? ?

I asked this question several months ago on a college doping thread here and got two (2) different answers. Some say they NEVER got tested in 4 yrs of competition, which I find it hard to believe unless you're finishing dead last in every race maybe. Others said they were only tested twice; once at the beginning of the XC season and one before spring track season. Still others said they were tested regularly but it wasn't for PEDs - only illicit drugs like pot, meth, coke, etc.

I believe with FBS football (formerly D-1) all players are tested unannounced sometime during August camp and again supposedly for the schools that get a bowl bid (I could be wrong on this but nonetheless there have been virtually no PED positives in FBS over the last several years). I'm not sure about basketball, but recently the University of Arizona reportèd an in-season PED positive with one of their starters which is still under investigation.

So...does any know the scope? How about any of you D-1 coaches out there...do any of you dudes know the scope? Maybe someone with NCAA anti-doping out there to explain?

Hohoho wrote:

What freakin world do you live in? You think Barringer dopes? Thus Coburn? How do they relate to a dirty Kenyan? These American girls get tested so often. I don’t believe the USA distance women are at all suspect.

Whoa, calm down, Jenny.

Well Coburn did beat the Africans who are known dopers. They all dope. No way you can achieve such performances naturally.

Quel entraîneur ?

Sous la houlette de quel entraîneur ? Les informations ont souvent discordé sur ce point, en l’absence de référence officielle dans la biographie de la jeune athlète. Après le titre olympique, la presse marocaine avait fait le relais de la collaboration entre Ruth Jebet et Khalid Boulami. A l’arrêt de sa carrière, marquée par le bronze olympique sur 5000 mètres en 1996, deux titres de vice-champion du monde, en 1995 et 1997, le Marocain avait d’abord exercé des fonctions de coach dans son pays natal, mais dès 2000, il se tournait vers le Bahrein, avec à ses côtés Rachid Ramzi qu’il amenait à deux médailles d’or au Mondial 2005, sur 800 et 1500 m, puis une médaille d’or olympique à Pékin, qu’il perdra en 2009 après une réanalyse de son échantillon des JO. Et les médias marocains présentaient Khalid Boulami comme l’homme à l’origine de la réussite de la jeune spécialiste de steeple.

This is going to happen more and more unfortunately as more foreign runners, coaches, agents, managers, schools and countries continue to view Kenya as a farm for distance talent. There are advantages to not being so open to foreigners, like Ethiopia. It takes extra effort for them to get in bringing their vices with them.

Ruth Jebet is now a "proud Baharaini" happy to diss the country she still lives and trains in. But her cheating is being used to smear Kenya, not Bahrain.

Imagine if Sean Ingle and the Guardian had broken Ben Johnson's news at the Seoul Olympics in 1988:

'Ben Johnson Becomes the Highest Profile Jamaican-born Athlete to Fail a Drugs Test'

Speak Up wrote:

Well Coburn did beat the Africans who are known dopers. They all dope. No way you can achieve such performances naturally.

By your logic, if they're all doping, that makes Coburn a doper.

Hopefully they investigate this Bahraini camp in Kenya. Whatever happens it has backfired majorly on Bahrain and any young prospects they were grooming for plastic citizenship.

Joins Rashid Ramzi in the Bahraini Athletic Hall Of Shame.

El Keniano wrote:

Don't know the circumstances, who tested her and where she was caught. But disappointed in Sean Ingle, who I never thought the type to take cheap shots for a sensationalistic splash, using this to essentially implicate all Kenyan athletes. Low hanging fruit, I suppose.

But she got caught, and that is good.

This in no way implicates all Kenyan -or African athletes, but when we see supermen and super-women with either no grade school or pedigree at the junior level or who accomplish incredible things seemingly with very little effort, it's prudent to be suspicious. 3 or 4 years ago, I watched Genzebe Dibaba break the indoor 3K by 10 seconds, actually, she ran faster than the outdoor WR as well. She ran 8:16, that's (2) 4:08 1500m back to back and I think in route she broke to 2K record. I watched Almaz Ayana break the 10K WR at the 2016 Rio Olympics. Who attempts a 10K WR, at the Olympics, in 75 degrees, knowing you have another event to race? Oh, Genzebe and Ayana forgot to act like they were tired at the end of the race. Just like Bolt's 9.69 in 2008, where he was laughing as he crossed the finish line...the problem with doping is sometimes your performances are too incredible to be believable. Starting in 2011, there have been several virtually unknown African's who were dropping 2:04 and 2:05 marathons like rainwater and interestingly these amazing times each year were being run at the same places, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and Dubai, all of which are known to have sub-standard drug testing. - With all of that said, there are athletes doping from every country, but the African's are doping big-time and mostly getting away with it.

Btw, can you tell me what happened to Ayanleh SOULEIMAN, Silas KIPLAGAT, Abdelaati IGUIDER, Ronald KWEMOI, Ferguson Cheruiyot ROTICH and Yenew ALAMIREW for example?

YMMV wrote:

Joins Rashid Ramzi in the Bahraini Athletic Hall Of Shame.

That's right - Ramzi put Bahrain on the map! ?

March 4, 2018 update on your Lord Sebastian Coe:

Lord Coe 'misled' MPs on what he knew about doping in Russian athletics and is the figurehead of a sport with a 'tattered reputation', says a damning report.

Coe, president of athletics' world governing body the IAAF, was heavily criticised by a parliamentary select committee, with MPs questioning the IAAF's 'apparent desire to suppress revelations about doping'.

The Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport report also expressed 'deep concern' about world athletics' willingness to share information with anti-doping agencies and asked whether the organisation is 'fully committed' to investigating 'difficult issues when they arise'.

The report concluded: 'These are matters of the greatest seriousness and affect the reputation of both the IAAF and Coe.'

Double Olympic champion Coe came in for particular condemnation over his bungled handling of initial claims Russian distance runner Liliya Shobukhova was asked to pay £330,000 to senior athletics officials to cover up positive doping tests and compete at London 2012.

Coe told MPs he did not know about 'specific allegations' until a German TV documentary aired in December 2014 but, as this newspaper and the BBC revealed in June 2016, he had been informed via an email from David Bedford, former race director of the London Marathon, four months earlier.

Coe claimed in December 2015 he neglected to open the attachment with Bedford's email and sent it on to Michael Beloff, chair of the IAAF's ethics commission.

The DCMS report, however, concluded it 'stretches credibility' to believe Coe was not aware of the allegations, 'at least in general terms'. It added it was 'disappointing' that the 61-year-old did not use the opportunity to 'make sure he was fully informed'.

MPs said Coe's observation in August 2015 that doping allegations were a 'declaration of war' on athletics was 'ill-judged'. The peer was also ridiculed for his response to questions about why the IAAF did not publish a World Anti-Doping Agency-sponsored report into doping in athletics, known as the Tubingen paper, until August 2017, some six years after it was completed.

The study, conducted by academics from the University of Tubingen in Germany, found doping was 'remarkably widespread among elite athletes' and concluded at least 29 per cent of competitors at the 2011 World Championships in South Korea 'had cheated in the past year'. The select committee said it was 'frankly risible' for Coe to claim in December 2015 that there was no need for the IAAF to publish the documents.

It added: 'We find the IAAF's stated reasons for blocking publication of the study to be unconvincing, and we are concerned their behaviour indicates a lack of transparency and, worse, an apparent desire to suppress revelations about doping in sport.

'It is another example of a reluctance to share evidence relating to doping which suggests the IAAF is more concerned with preventing dissemination of evidence than addressing the core issue of doping itself. We call on Lord Coe, as president, to ensure that the IAAF acts resolutely at all times to tackle doping in athletics and to restore its tattered reputation.'

Speaking to BBC 5 Live's Sportsweek programme before the report was released, Lord Coe was asked whether he regretted sending a statement and refusing to appear in front of the committee when called for a second time in January 2017.

'I sat for well over three hours in the first select committee hearing (in December 2015),' he said. 'The questions I was posed, I answered.'

Coe refused to comment on Sunday.

Paula is still faster than all of the Kenyans...and all of the Ethiopians... and all of the dopers in the entire history of this planet.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-5460995/Athletics-reputation-tatters-Lord-Coe-condemned-MPs.html

Ms. Radcliffe destroyed the world...even though Paula has been a victim of medical conditions such as asthma... and anemia.

Go Paula!!!

Pretty much bang on TrackCoach, Ayana in 2016 was ridiculous. In London 2017 she also ran the last 5k faster than almost every women in history over 5k alone (excluding a small handful including the Chinese). This last 5k would have been the 5k AR for every continent except Africa.

BTW, Bolt's laces were untied in 2008.

Barrel of Laughs wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Joins Rashid Ramzi in the Bahraini Athletic Hall Of Shame.

That's right - Ramzi put Bahrain on the map! ?

Knowing Bahrain, that will be one swanky building.

Lasse Viren,

Oops now Aragon will turn up and bore us to death about how the Finns invented blood doping but they never did it.

American's have to be careful here about overly criticizing and accusing Kenya of excessive doping. There is a doping in all of athletics. All country's share this problem. I believe when it comes to Kenya the percentage of those using PED's is very small. The record does not show a systemic problem. What the U.S. has to stay focused on is that Kenya is a country that dominates us in distance running even though it has fewer resources and has a much poorer population. The U.S. has long history of distance running but has slid into a second rate distance running nation. Lets not use this drug issue to justify the U.S.'s mediocrity.

What are you on about? The athletes you mentioned are all still active. Silas and Fergurson are older with their best days behind them. Ronald Kwemoi is quite possibly at his peak. Not my place to speak for Souleiman from Djibouti, Iguider from Morocco and Alamirew from Ethiopia as I'm Kenyan and don't know what goes on in those countries.

As for the old 'they come out of nowhere to perform superhuman feats', that is certainly not the case with Ruth Jebet. She's been known on LetsRun for a while as she competed and won gold (for Bahrain) at the World Junior Championships in 2014 in Eugene, Oregon. LetsRun was, at the time, obsessed with Mary Cain (what happened to her, btw? should we be suspicious?) the way they are with Jacob Ingebrigtsen now. I actually have vague recollections of the thread here where we discussed gulf states grooming and poaching young Kenyans for their stables after she won the steeple.