Runners who MADE IT by running HIGH mileage

jaguar1 wrote:

ouch666666 wrote:

How did you average so many miles for so many years with all of the stress fractures you sustained?

Grew 9 inches very quickly when I had the SFs and was imbalanced between bones-muscles (plus high intensity training in HS/college). Grew into body as an adult and studied bone recovery in grad school. That’s when I started running 100+ mpw. Learned from my studies that twice a day running is most anabolic to muscle-bone, easier to recover, and up-regulates aerobic adaptations. Easy days easy, hard days hard. Train frequently, eat frequently, sleep a lot.

Interesting. At what lower level of weekly mileage is twice daily running better for aerobic adaptatiins? 60 mpw, 75?

What qualifies as "high"? Surely, 100 a week is too common to be counted as exceptionally high?

The Way We Were wrote:

broken arrow wrote:

Very impressive. Very few runners are bio-mechanically sound enough to handle this kind of work load for a sustained period of time without breaking down.

Anyone without disabilities can run at least 100mpw. The only ones who cannot are those who have not tried seriously.

It's all about motivation and commitment. You break down because you are too fixated on avoiding break down. All you need to do is to ignore the pain and hobble through. Then pain will go away and you'll get stronger.

You're wrong.

There are many cases of fantastic runners who have tried again and again to get to that mileage load and cannot. Bodies are different. Are you saying Billy Mills wasn't mentally tough enough because he couldn't do 100 mile weeks, after failing on multiple occasions to do so without breaking down?

I used to think the way you did, before I realized how different we all are. it is very true that many runners never give themselves a chance to adjust to a higher workload, but don't misconstrue that as "anyone tough enough can get to 100 miles a week" because that's hogwash.

Ran 120- 150 more a week back in the day. A Hundred mile weeks of just easy running was a rest period.

patti wrote:

Ran 120- 150 more a week back in the day. A Hundred mile weeks of just easy running was a rest period.

Sounds about right.

yesstiles wrote:

Are you saying Billy Mills wasn't mentally tough enough because he couldn't do 100 mile weeks, after failing on multiple occasions to do so without breaking down?

He was not as mentally tough as the Great HRE, who hobbled through any pain and injury.

The Way We Were wrote:

yesstiles wrote:

Are you saying Billy Mills wasn't mentally tough enough because he couldn't do 100 mile weeks, after failing on multiple occasions to do so without breaking down?

He was not as mentally tough as the Great HRE, who hobbled through any pain and injury.

I know who Patti is, but who is HRE?

Honestly, I don't know and am seriously asking.

Apparently I'm kind of a hero to The Way We Were. Aside from that I'm not much of anyone, though I always have just run through injuries.

HRE wrote:

Apparently I'm kind of a hero to The Way We Were. Aside from that I'm not much of anyone, though I always have just run through injuries.

Ok, I understand. I wasn't ripping on you, I just thought your name abbreviation was someone from back when Patti ran. Cheers!

No worries. Cheers yourself.

HRE wrote:

Apparently I'm kind of a hero to The Way We Were. Aside from that I'm not much of anyone, though I always have just run through injuries.

Lots of dedicated runners just run thru their injuries, even when they really shouldn't. But some injuries you simply cannot. Try just "running thru" a torn achilles or a sacral stress fracture or acute anterior tibial tendinitis or a torn adductor muscle, etc. Thank your stars you have never had a debilitating running injury.

Of course you cant know if all these guys running extremely high mileage would have been "nobodies" if not .

We will never know.

Brian Sell. Hitting 165-170 mpw at his peak when he ran 2:10 and made the Olympics...easy days at 5:40 pace and workouts like 3 x 3 miles at 4:40 pace. Some of the other guys at Hansons would consistently put in 140-150mpw for months on end (and probably average well over 130mpw for the year) but there were quite a few injuries as well.

S. Canaday wrote:

Brian Sell. Hitting 165-170 mpw at his peak when he ran 2:10 and made the Olympics...easy days at 5:40 pace and workouts like 3 x 3 miles at 4:40 pace. Some of the other guys at Hansons would consistently put in 140-150mpw for months on end (and probably average well over 130mpw for the year) but there were quite a few injuries as well.

Is this how Ryan Hall ended his career and damaged his body, high mileage?

too much physical strain on the body wrote:

S. Canaday wrote:

Brian Sell. Hitting 165-170 mpw at his peak when he ran 2:10 and made the Olympics...easy days at 5:40 pace and workouts like 3 x 3 miles at 4:40 pace. Some of the other guys at Hansons would consistently put in 140-150mpw for months on end (and probably average well over 130mpw for the year) but there were quite a few injuries as well.

Is this how Ryan Hall ended his career and damaged his body, high mileage?

Just partly. It was mostly too much high intensity coupled with high mileage. Went to the well too often. Didn't know how to take it easy when required.

AlmostGuy wrote:

too much physical strain on the body wrote:

Is this how Ryan Hall ended his career and damaged his body, high mileage?

Just partly. It was mostly too much high intensity coupled with high mileage. Went to the well too often. Didn't know how to take it easy when required.

No, what did Ryan Hall in was his constant flip-flopping between training programs. The body needs consistency to thrive. By being consistent it allows the body to adapt and grow and get better. By constantly changing training programs it never allowed his body to get acclimated. Couple this with injuries that kept plaguing him after the 2012 Olympic Marathon Trials, and it completely derailed his career.

So just who is the troll who keeps resurrecting all these old threads?

I think he trolled so much today his registered account got temp banned, so these thread bumps are his petty attempt at retaliation.