How to pull back leg faster

it is, what it is wrote:

Foot strike in elites, actually running 'fast', is a dynamic sweep backward, relative to the forward motion of their COG. The common definition of heelstriker is for those that have poor running biomechanics, by inducing a bifurcation in the dynamics of that sweep, commonly referred to as 'braking'. Proper mechanics requires the foot plant in the stance phase to be loading body mass forward of the ankle; thus no heel loading, thus no 'braking'. A still photo taken prior to ground touch cannot reveal the dynamics of that sweep. Even a still photo, where a non-zero drop shoe appears to first come into contact with the ground at the heel of the shoe, cannot reveal what is actually going on thru the dynamics of the sweep, as it obviously reveals no mass-loading information .

Well said. +10

doot doot wrote:

Insanely shrieking elite forefoot striker wrote:

So doot doot, you are an elite?

Negative. But I sure glide along effortlessly across mid-/forefoot at all my training paces as if I were elite. Pretty effortlessly to be honest. Just practicing the fundamentals, you know. I spent a lot of time in my foundational running years learning correct form drills and implementing them and saw substantial gains very quickly. I get a lot of compliments from the local runners I interact with ??‍♂️

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And like clockwork the shreikers came to spew their bullshít. ?

Props to the people patient enough to deal with them. Is foot strike the end all be all to successful running? No. Is correcting one's form in a responsible and deliberate fashion going to yield benefits to the average runner? Duh.

Guess what? That means you are also a HOBBYJOGGER. Too much time practicing being effortless and not enough actual training effort.

"I get a lot of compliments from the local runners" lol

Patiently showing evidence is not shrieking. Are you paranoid?

toot toot wrote:

The old "well I guess their heel IS hitting first but it's not really heelstriking ." lol

That's the whole point. The heel CAN hit first without excessive braking.

It's the clowns like doot doot that don't get that and go to the extreme opposite as the only way.

Well---you certainly can run heel-to-toe. No one is going to stop you if that turns you on.

Is it impossible for some to run with proper mechanics as in midfoot or forefoot? You are right that some cannot do it. I know of a 300 pound guy who ran marathons in about 7 hours. There is no way he had good mechanics and it's doubtful he ever will. That does not mean that the majority of runners cannot improve and get closer to the ideal.

The OP's question was "How to pull back leg faster." Proper mechanics will get you there better than poor mechanics.

[quote]waltertompatton wrote:

It would certainly be possible to run fast using a heel strike. However you are not going to go long and fast that way for very long!

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Unless you are Kirui or Kimetto or Bikila etc.

Ah but that is what most distance runners do. We are grinders and fail to take the time to do things right. We blast away without thinking.

Sprinters do not do that. They take the time to do things right because technique is a huge thing for their events. However distance runners can learn from sprinters.

We need to work hard but also smart.

Pre Come wrote:

http://www.daytonabeachcombers.com/gallowayprebatchelor.jpg

I bet you could find a thousand other pictures where he was landing mid-foot.

let me help you wrote:

doobitty doobitty doo wrote:

So what is your point? Delusional? Kimetto, running even at the end of a fast marathon, at fast stride, is a fore-midfoot striker.

Zoom in if you have to, moran

http://www.letsrun.com/photos/2014/berlin-marathon-kimetto-world-record/thumbnails/tnKimetto-Mutai1a-Berlin14.JPG

It's also possible that the guy next to him is also a mid-foot or forefoot striker. That is one photo man!

long and fast off the back wrote:

[quote]waltertompatton wrote:

It would certainly be possible to run fast using a heel strike. However you are not going to go long and fast that way for very long!

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Unless you are Kirui or Kimetto or Bikila etc.

Bikila? As in the guy who won two straight Olympic marathons---one of them barefoot over cobbled streets? Yes I would like to see a guy do that heel to toe /// man.

It is a picture showing how his foot strikes the ground. Only one pic can show that.

When have I disputed that forefoot landing is not also fine?

It's doot doot who is saying there is only one correct way.

waltertompatton wrote:

long and fast off the back wrote:

[quote]waltertompatton wrote:

It would certainly be possible to run fast using a heel strike. However you are not going to go long and fast that way for very long!

[quote]

Unless you are Kirui or Kimetto or Bikila etc.

Bikila? As in the guy who won two straight Olympic marathons---one of them barefoot over cobbled streets? Yes I would like to see a guy do that heel to toe /// man.

Yep. Pull up a video and slow it right down.

I definitely agree that we should not spend much time focusing on foot strike. Foot strike is the end of the pendulum. It's kind of like when you throw a punch. You do not emphasize your wrist. It might be wise to use your whole body!

Distance runners are grinders. We fail to spend time working on technique and doing things right.

Work hard but smart. Talk to a good sprint coach and learn about acceleration, body position, and technique. It is a rare distance runner who takes the time to do things well.

We think if we run 200 miles a week or run 12 X 800 in 2:10 with a 60 second jog between that we will beat everyone in the world. It is not that simple.

let me help you wrote:

It is a picture showing how his foot strikes the ground. Only one pic can show that.

When have I disputed that forefoot landing is not also fine?

It's doot doot who is saying there is only one correct way.

Like someone else said on here you cannot really judge how a person is landing by watching a video.

You certainly cannot do it with ONE photo. Maybe you might be able to do it with a series of photos or slow motion film. That would require special equipment that few of us could afford.

The forefoot landing is the result of body mechanics. It's similar to if you were throwing a football. The hand and fingers are the final result of a lot of things that happen before that.

So we need to work on body mechanics not just foot mechanics. If you can get that right it will make you a better runner. Yes it is difficult.

Correct, that Bikila wrote:

waltertompatton wrote:

Bikila? As in the guy who won two straight Olympic marathons---one of them barefoot over cobbled streets? Yes I would like to see a guy do that heel to toe /// man.

Yep. Pull up a video and slow it right down.

Experts all agree that barefoot running forces one to use better mechanics. If you don't it hurts a lot more! Talk to Barefoot Ted.

waltertompatton wrote:

Correct, that Bikila wrote:

Yep. Pull up a video and slow it right down.

Experts all agree that barefoot running forces one to use better mechanics. If you don't it hurts a lot more! Talk to Barefoot Ted.

I would enjoy watching you run barefoot heel-to-toe on concrete. Try it.

You can just slow down a video and freeze it. It really is that simple.

What you can't do is just watch someone and make an accurate call. Our eyes really can't see that detail at that speed.

Ever see the old paintings of racehorses? That's what people thought they saw.

Doot Doot is right. I will go one step further. Even if you do run heel-to-toe it certainly will make you faster to start doing some things right that you are not doing now. To just run mile after mile without paying attention to your form is a waste. All you are doing is working hard. You are not working smart. Improving skills is important even in distance running. Ask any good coach!

Technique question wrote:

Does anybody know technique wise how to pull the back leg faster?

Thank you for coming up with the excellent question. I am sure that LRC approves.

Exactly. It's not just the foot strike. So many other mechanics at work. You wouldn't just suddenly alter your foot strike in a vacuum. Never really thought about the arm backswing in deliberate terms but it's a huge component that is emphasized in the drills we do.

waltertompatton wrote:

toot toot wrote:

Guess what? That means you are also a HOBBYJOGGER. Too much time practicing being effortless and not enough actual training effort.

"I get a lot of compliments from the local runners" lol

Patiently showing evidence is not shrieking. Are you paranoid?

Doot Doot is right. I will go one step further. Even if you do run heel-to-toe it certainly will make you faster to start doing some things right that you are not doing now. To just run mile after mile without paying attention to your form is a waste. All you are doing is working hard. You are not working smart. Improving skills is important even in distance running. Ask any good coach!

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