Rupp haters go home DEVASTATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

land of enchantment wrote:

Nice, but still... wrote:

It's strange to think that 2:07:47 is better than 2:09:18 on the same course? That's not my opinion, it's math.

Rupp may turn out to better than Ritz or Hall at the marathon, but so far he has just had better timing.

It's apples to oranges. When Ritz ran his 2:07 there were pacers at Chicago. That is no longer the case and a very important one. Chicago decided to focus on racing vs. chasing fast times. Not debating which is right, just a fact. From what the Brojos posted, it looks like Rupp beat a number of guys with 2:04-:05 PRs. Seems like an important and impressive win.

To the 'scorpion' dude, do you really think Rupp isn't respected internationally?! If so, you're incredibly naive or ignorant.

that guy is both and more

he also beat a guy who had a 2:02 and 2:03

The women's WR is getting threateningly close to Rupp's PR, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the men's WR pull further away soon, too.

If Rupp doesn't contort his way into some 2:04/5 (like he wants) race in the spring, I'm not sure it's ever going to happen. For now, he's the 10th American ever, minutes away from the American record, and possibly over a minute slower than his coach.

His 2:09.20 is about 1,757th all-time.

Distance-wise, he's among the best Americans ever.

Marathon-wise, you can't be serious.

Beautiful Day wrote:

The women's WR is getting threateningly close to Rupp's PR, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the men's WR pull further away soon, too.

If Rupp doesn't contort his way into some 2:04/5 (like he wants) race in the spring, I'm not sure it's ever going to happen. For now, he's the 10th American ever, minutes away from the American record, and possibly over a minute slower than his coach.

His 2:09.20 is about 1,757th all-time.

Distance-wise, he's among the best Americans ever.

Marathon-wise, you can't be serious.

I think you have a minimal understanding of running at this level. Olympic bronze and a Chicago win are huge pluses for a marathoners 'resume'. His next marathon appearance fee will be very significant. BIGLY. YUGE.

If you buy into the whole "Rupp isn't actually a fast marathoner" nonsense, I feel like you have to be even more impressed by his performances. Consistently beating "better" runners through superior tactics and preparation is about the most impressive thing a runner can do. The idea that we should think less of him because all the people he's beating are actually somehow better than him is the most ass backwards logic I've ever encountered.

The 2:09 level?

Concerning the Olympics, Rupp was just as close to Ward as to Kipchoge.

He's America's best marathoner at the current time. That's about it.

You guys throwing yourselves all over Rupp are nuts. Pacers or not, 2:09 on a mostly flat course in reasonable weather is just not that fast, even for an American and especially when compared to the top non-Americans. Rupp will probably run faster but at this point it's all speculation.

Even Alberto recognized this. He was 100% correct that Hasay's race was the performance of the day for NOP. Hasay ran the 2nd fastest time ever for an American woman in only her second marathon and came in 3rd against actual world-class competition (that was world-class yesterday, and not 3 years ago). That's genuinely impressive. Rupp is coming along nicely but the hype is premature.

gogogadgetlegs wrote:

face it losers.... Rupp won, you'll have to live with that forever... just like living with the fact that you all are pathetic losers.

Dude has a 10,000m silver, a Oly bronze in the 26.2, and now a big city marathon win.... and you got what... a turkey trot trophy..... in your age group?

Lol!!! That was good, saved me some typing 😂

zohan wrote:

HaHa! Man you just step right in and prove EXACTLY what I was talking about.

Dude the goal of the race is to WIN!! W I N... it's not a freakin' time trial.... you were probaby a big fan of the Nike break 2 hr stunt because it wasn't a race, it was a TT.

Go away and learn about a sport before commenting on it, OK??

Hey Zohan we all known you are Uncle Juice.

have some perspective wrote:

You guys throwing yourselves all over Rupp are nuts. Pacers or not, 2:09 on a mostly flat course in reasonable weather is just not that fast, even for an American and especially when compared to the top non-Americans. Rupp will probably run faster but at this point it's all speculation.

Even Alberto recognized this. He was 100% correct that Hasay's race was the performance of the day for NOP. Hasay ran the 2nd fastest time ever for an American woman in only her second marathon and came in 3rd against actual world-class competition (that was world-class yesterday, and not 3 years ago). That's genuinely impressive. Rupp is coming along nicely but the hype is premature.

Do people really think that Rupp should've thrown all caution to the wind and pulled this whole pack through a faster first half? For the sake of running a faster time? Maybe his goal was to win the race. Is that a bad thing?

Chicago is an unpaced race, so that is what you get. For whatever reason, the pack consensus was not to push it early. More like a track 10K where nobody pushes it until the final K.

The other side of the coin is something like Berlin where pacers take off at WR pace. The result of that is that a few runners get great times while the rest of the pack are destroyed by making the age-old marathon mistake of going out too fast. Look what happened to Kipsang and Bekele in Berlin. So people think that that is what Rupp should do? I think these time-trial races like Berlin are actually bad for the sport. I think the solution to all this is for the WMM races to offer time incentives. That would speed the pack up during the first half. Using pacers might be OK if a couple runners want to go for the WR, but I think it takes race strategy and cunning out of the race, which is too bad. I thought a lot of the Berlin race was boring because the runners were just following the pacers.