Online petitions are far less effective than individual calls to officials.
Online petitions are far less effective than individual calls to officials.
We are not in RI. Went to the park the other day. A large group of middle school runners were taking the entire trail and collided with one of my kids. Did not like it but they were the same age so equal pain.
Later, the coach approaches me to ask me if I am interested to to have my kids join their team.
No.
They had no good runners and were completely disregarding towards other park users. Bunch of clowns coached by a bigger clown.
Trail is wide enough and intended to be used in both directions by walkers, bikers and runners.
To your case in RI, when you are there with the team, do you act like you own the trail system?
How about proposing single file 3-5 runner groups staying on the right hand side of the trail?
Since you are not running in a large group, they should have no issue with that. Permits are only for gatherings of a given number, not for individual runners or families going for a jog.
Another ex Rhode Islander here. This really isn't surprising behavior in a state where most things public are bought. Sad, but reality.
zxcvzxcv wrote:
Online petitions are far less effective than individual calls to officials.
hahahaha. Good one! Little Rhody is not known for its honest public officials.
Just have the runners claim to identify as horses.
If it's determined to really be about the incompatibility of concurrent use between two different groups, a solution could be odd days horses, even days hikers, joggers, runners. (But then there are bikes. R bikes allowed?)
There's a park in Utah that I was at, in the mountains above Salt Lake City- even days were for bikers, odd days for people on feet. A great compromise.
Seems to me too much getting off topic, not unusual on LRC. RI has a very strong coaching and officials association. Not sure why no one who lives up there would not mention this. They have major XC meets there for high schools and colleges run pretty much by the same organization. If this was such a calamity, don't you think that the association would be working with the parks department to try and come to a compromise.
If you keep pointing fingers and making ridiculous accusations and assumptions you will not get very far, that is for sure.
Many other states have had to make adjustments as public parks entertain many different groups and try to provide what each group would like to get out of coming to a park.
The internet is a dangerous place for the express reason that nothing is filtered and people jump on issues very often without knowing everything that is involved. Calmer heads and adults working together have a much better shot at getting a workable resolution. Pissing and moaning seems to be the new culture, but it won't take long before that approach gets old.
My team used to practice there until being tossed out of there this year. We went there early on Saturdays for YEARS and were long gone before the stables opened.
My team runs in packs of 2-5. We have 8-10 groups based on ability. The kids were instructed to give horses the right of way. We have seen horses maybe one time in the past three years.
Last year we were handed a policy change notice by DEM officials stating the trails were deeded to the state for equestrian use and XC practices were no longer allowed at any time in the park.
One of the coaches dug up the deed in the town hall and it said nothing about horses other than there are no horse races allowed at the park. He was fined for having his team there earlier this summer. He went to court and lost for not having a permit that they will not grant any of us anyway.
The teams that are in there clean up there own trash, are respectful of others, and use the trails during a time when nobody else is even there.
Why do they have a problem with us? We don't know.
The petition is a very small piece of the puzzle. We are fighting this legally. Yes, there is a lawyer representing the team that was fined, and from what I understand working on the case for free.
Molly Huddle, Ray Treacy, Geoff Smith, and recent sub four runner Nick Ross have signed the petition and made comments of support either on the petition or on facebook.
It would be nice if the running community here supports the running community in Rhode Island.
We are being bullied by a government agency. That's a fact. Everyone in the running community in our small state is effected by this. Support your fellow runners!!!
horse meat hoagie wrote:
@I have run and others wrote:" For reasons unknown, the park authorities have sided with a small number of horseback riders who don't like runners spooking their horses and have banned groups from running on the trails."
A spooked horse can kill it's rider, and whoever spooks it. So runners and horses don't mix. If the authorities sided with the riders, it is probably because that was the original purpose of the trails.
yeah, and who owns horses in urban America? rich people and wannabes; THEY are the cretins making this issue, not hikers, runners, pedestrians etc.
The trail is in a town near very expensive homes with large properties. I have no sympathy for spoiled children of rich parents. They likely own horses themselves and have no clue a spooked horse can do. Let the spoiled kids find another trail to run. There are plenty in the area.
The Dwarf Regin wrote:
Just have the runners claim to identify as horses.
So they can poop on trail while running and not clean it up?
@horseassmeat wrote:
horse meat hoagie wrote:yeah, and who owns horses in urban America? rich people and wannabes; THEY are the cretins making this issue, not hikers, runners, pedestrians etc.
yeah, and who runs XC? rich kids and wannabes
a curious reply; just because Rojo-tard and Wejo were rich, doesn't mean by far most others are. Are all these Rhode Island harriers from money? I'll wait for your kind answer, friend, hoping you're hit by a bakery truck first. Thanks.
I don't blame RI. You Asiaoid-Caucasoid White skin-toned savages have been defecating on the lawn and urinating on the flowers.
Do that many teams used Goddard State Park for running practice? When I attended Providence College in the 90s, I never saw any other teams there. When did the volume of runners increase? Too many teams trying to use it might have ultimately been its undoing.
Oppressed in Rhode Island wrote:
tenrun wrote:just say "its not cross country practice, its just that all the kids on the xc team and the coach just happened to be using the park at the same time!"
We need to handle it in a civilized legal manner and if we lose in the end we have to accept that we will never again be allowed to practice there whether that is right or wrong.
If that's what you're trying to teach your kids you should seriously consider getting out of education. Pathetic.
rich kid crying wrote:
horse meat hoagie wrote:yeah, and who owns horses in urban America? rich people and wannabes; THEY are the cretins making this issue, not hikers, runners, pedestrians etc.
The trail is in a town near very expensive homes with large properties. I have no sympathy for spoiled children of rich parents. They likely own horses themselves and have no clue a spooked horse can do. Let the spoiled kids find another trail to run. There are plenty in the area.
True dat !
The shoulders of I -95 are ample !
Punks
Cali Kush Coach wrote:
Oppressed in Rhode Island wrote:We need to handle it in a civilized legal manner and if we lose in the end we have to accept that we will never again be allowed to practice there whether that is right or wrong.
If that's what you're trying to teach your kids you should seriously consider getting out of education. Pathetic.
Yes. In reality you will never reach your goals with a tactic Like that. Just Take a gun with you and lets see if someone will Stop you from running.
My friend, I have some advice for you. Kill one of the horses at night and place its head in the bed of one of the rich obese horse lobbyists.
This is how we did it in the old days.
kisses sweeter than whine wrote:
@horseassmeat wrote:yeah, and who runs XC? rich kids and wannabes
a curious reply; just because Rojo-tard and Wejo were rich, doesn't mean by far most others are. Are all these Rhode Island harriers from money? I'll wait for your kind answer, friend, hoping you're hit by a bakery truck first. Thanks.
Do you need wannabe defined for you? Oh, and real nice of you to wish death upon someone for pointing out the ironic hypocrisy of the original post.