Dear Jim Walmsley....please taper

Why would they be an issue in track and field but not ultras? It is not like T&F stars are raking in the cash.

Valid point. The height of where Ultra is now, it's like a new age with sponsorship and somewhat mainstream attention which could play a big role moving ahead. I just have a hard time buying into the witch hunt of everybody using PEDs is "injected into greatness" (amazing quote btw). There has been a witch hunt with PEDs for the last decade at least, and it's just trendy now to think every great athlete is artificially enhanced. Sadly there have been those that have tested for positive for EPO and more extreme substances, but there are even some protein powders that have certain legal compounds in it that can be flagged for "doping" under some new NCAA guidelines. The damage you're subjecting yourself to with any doping is on you. If a PR is worth that much, then have at it. Not my loss in the end.

A little bit of extra T goes a long way though...

an epic battle..... wrote:

Walmsley has now run 89 miles with over 29,000 ft of climbing in the last 3 days!!

If you MOrons haven't figured out what he is doing, he is reconning the UTMB course so he knows what to expect. If you look at his pace, he is pretty much jogging the course. He could easily do those sections a minute or more faster. He will have plenty of time to taper and be ready for the race.

While he has crushed records at pretty much every race he runs except Western where he went after the course record both years, I think he will race this to win and not worry about records.

dfdfdsfdfdfsdfdfddddd wrote:

Why would they be an issue in track and field but not ultras? It is not like T&F stars are raking in the cash.

Athletics is world stage where big pharma controls press spouting nonsense about drugs and their bogus capabilities, thereby increasing drug sales for big pharma.

Waiting on Walmsley's Strava post today...will it be 4 days in a row of 30 milers? I hope not. Please taper, Jim.

"Hundreds of thousands of dollars." What on Earth are you talking about? You really think the gear like EPO costs that much? How about some extra T from your dad..easy fix!

Jurek was disciplined and smart, Walmsley is neither.

Tbon wrote:

"Hundreds of thousands of dollars." What on Earth are you talking about? You really think the gear like EPO costs that much? How about some extra T from your dad..easy fix!

Ultra roid rage wrote:

Jurek was disciplined and smart, Walmsley is neither.

Can't wait, to see another implosion of Jim.

Sage Canaday is a third tier/rate runner with a cocky attitude. His videos are simplistic crap. He does have one thing right, though: there is plenty of doping going on in the ultra peloton. These days it's easy and cheap.

Enough of this crap already. Sage may be only a 2:16 marathoner ("only"), but in the world of trail and mountain running he's an elite talent who's proved himself many times. There's nothing cocky about him, humblest guy around who's taken responsibility for every race that didn't go well. His videos aren't simplistic, they are intended for people getting into running, not the sub 2:10 brainiacs that populate these forums.

It doesn't take much courage or talent to anonymously mock a guy who puts himself out there in the open.

Marathon is middle distance and has almost NOTHING to do with 100km mountain races.

The best marathoner is 100% not the best 100km mountain runner and it's not even close. That's just science people, I'm sorry.

Wildhorse wrote:

Enough of this crap already. Sage may be only a 2:16 marathoner ("only"), but in the world of trail and mountain running he's an elite talent who's proved himself many times. There's nothing cocky about him, humblest guy around who's taken responsibility for every race that didn't go well. His videos aren't simplistic, they are intended for people getting into running, not the sub 2:10 brainiacs that populate these forums.

It doesn't take much courage or talent to anonymously mock a guy who puts himself out there in the open.

Agreed. In the ultra world he is top tier and usually makes it on the podium. When he does screw up he owns up to it and will freely admit it. I can't think of many other runners who do that. If he loses to Jim and Killian he will publicly say how great they are and why they beat him. I think his beef is that he knows maybe a few are doping and potentially placing higher than they should and corrupting the sport.

How is Sage third tier? He consistently wins or places in the top 5 in most trail/mountain races he does. He typically only struggles on steep European courses or anything over 50 miles. He has beaten athletes like Joe Gray at Mt. Washington. Sure, he won't win any major road marathons, but he has transitioned well to technical terrain.

If I slept 12-14 hours/day like Walms, I could run 4hrs day.

Not Fast but Furious wrote:

I think his beef is that he knows maybe a few are doping and potentially placing higher than they should and corrupting the sport.

I didn't know Sage was doing this but thanks for the info.

Being a great marathoner certainly increases the odds of having a successful ultradistance racing career, but it's far from a guarantee. There are so many other variables. This is especially true the longer races get and the more extreme the courses are.

In general, better runners are better ultrarunners, but a great 5/10k runner can't just go jump into a mountain 100 miler and expect to beat seasoned, but lesser talented dudes.

Btw. Walmsley jogged an easy 10k today. This is a good sign.