NY Times Article on Nike Oregon Project implicates Ritz and Farah

Mr. Obvious wrote:

HGL wrote:

"Thyroid medication is not a performance enhancer. I just missed the American Record over 25km road on sub-par training. It's a placebo."

- Dathan Ritzenhein, Champion

May or may not be a performance enhancer, but not on the WADA banned list and a total nonstarter as far as a violation of anything.

Ahem, Thyroid medication are being obtained when they shouldn't. Prescriptions for a condition you do not have go against WADA's spirit of sport rule. You should know this. Do try to keep up. Thanks.

mark b wrote:

As a Brit I look forward to the day when UK Athletics breaks off all connection with Salazar and Nike.

Me too. Britain is finished after Mo is done with his EPO camps and grey area Salazar infusions.

But as corrupt as Coe and UK Athletics are that Nike money is going to be hard to give up. They'll be scrambling to pump the pharmacy through some new Somali or East African refugee to keep the money and medals flowing.

Can you please quote this "spirit of the sport" rule as it is in place in the current WADA regulations? I'm not entirely sure it exists...

Wow, nieve indeed.

Public is desensitized to this type of thing. Nothing here has much merit of wrong doing outside of what a group of track enthusiasts may deem ethical or not. You can go to a health spa and get a vitamin drip of choice making this nothing more than sensationalized rehash in the eye of the general public.

USADA has thrown everything against this case with a number of investigators with far more power to gain documents and interviews than a PI.This was a priority bust for them with double the effort over the Armstrong case.

Its clear they cannot make of case with all the evidence at hand. A lawyer might try something on contingency for an athlete but a quick review of available evidence would leave them with little to go on. Their hope would would be to get an out court settlement with most of the cash ending up in the lawyers hands.

BROJOE ALERT

You brojoes are always all over the truth, then they always come up with

something dumb to say. Like Nike, suggesting they should do such and such, the right thing (above)....

these groups are truly rotten to the core. the runners are there for the paycheck, but the cash they make is on the backs of very poor people.

You people want to stop funding Nike and go crowdfund a shoe company. When you cut out the corporate fat, you'll be able to produce the product at a very competitive price .... and pay people a proper wage.

you guys fly around the world going to track meets, why not fly over to asia and check out their sweat shops, why no analyze where the money goes? why not talk to athletes about their underhanded ways, even when the hand out top dollar.

Make America Great Again - Ban Nike

Where is the list of approved TUEs? I don't remember Wells being on thyroid meds. What does Hasay have permission to use?

What? Pro sports is entertainment just like movies and music. It's all market demand-driven. How do you not know this?

larkimm wrote:

Can you please quote this "spirit of the sport" rule as it is in place in the current WADA regulations? I'm not entirely sure it exists...

It is people like you--it doesn't exist--who are most likely to dope or let dopers get away with it. It is IN the WADA Code.

QUESTION 9. Why may there be a delay in determining the status of some substances on the Prohibited List?

The WADA Prohibited List endeavours to capture as many known substances and methods that satisfy any two of the following three criteria:

- Potential to enhance or enhances sports performance

- An actual or potential health risk to the athlete

- Use violates the spirit of sport (outlined in the Code)

Substances or methods which mask the effect of prohibited substances are also prohibited. In addition, a substance which has not been approved for human use is likely to be prohibited as well.

like i said do some research. they take HUGE dosages of vit D to offset the HGH or IGF-1 side effects....or they take the huge dosages of vit D to help the micro dosages of HGH and IGF-1

https://www.medpagetoday.com/endocrinology/generalendocrinology/40932

here is some info on thyroid meds and HGH use.....why cant people see whats really going on. salazar is either helping balance his athletes with all this stuff, or they are taking all this stuff so the micro dosing is closer to what a full dose would provide.

http://www.endotext.org/question/thyroid-function-in-patient-taking-hgh/

Thanks for the update Keanu.

I do understand that, I just think it's crazy. I just would have though Ritz was making a lot more than $100k.

I'm a huge sports fan and follow all the leagues. Obviously I have a love for running as well. Just crazy to me that the best runners, who dedicate their lives to the sport and some who make multiple olympic teams, make < 1/5 the worst MLB players.

I think you'll find that that is a provision which determines whether WADA consider a drug for inclusion in the prohibited list (actually relates to s4.3 of the Code I think).

I suggest you read the code, or better still just download it - it is here

. Search for the word "spirit" in the code, you'll find it appears 11 times and not once does it include in reference to a rule that the spirit must not be broken.

There is no rule which requires athletes to avoid doing things which are not in the spirit of the code. You might not like that, I don't like that, but that's the way it is.

This is probably the case because getting a court to uphold a ban based on a breach of the "spirit" of the code would be impossible. So they have to rely on black and white - is it on the banned list? Is it a banned delivery mechanism? etc etc.

The sooner we all remove the blinkers from our eyes and realise that, despite what we might want the "spirit" of the rules means nothing in terms of a fight against doping, the better.

As I stated: It is people like you--it doesn't exist--who are most likely to dope or let dopers get away with it. It is IN the WADA Code.

larkimm wrote:

didn't the article say you coud build up to performance-enhancing levels of l-canitine over 11 months, or something like that? ritz didn't have 11 months, so salazar infused him. if l-carnitine is magic, it sounds like anyone can build up his or her level over time. and that's legal.

And I've just shown you that it doesn't. If you want to believe in fairies, that's up to you.

The only reason I've read the Code is because I wanted to find out where the spirit of the Code rule was so I could quote it to someone else. The fact that it wasn't there surprised me. But at least I know. I do appreciate that the US is currently ruled by someone who doesn't have a grasp on the rules, but I thought I'd buck the trend by pointing out some facts. There's no need to accuse me of being a doping sympathiser (I support lifetime bans for doping offences) when the simple truth is you can't be bothered to read the Code you are quoting at me.

larkimm wrote:]

0/10.

Bleu wrote:

Where is the list of approved TUEs? I don't remember Wells being on thyroid meds. What does Hasay have permission to use?

Thyroid meds aren't banned. You don't need a TUE to use them.

The Rosas have just suspended them from the group. They technically can't stop them from competing.

We reported on this at start of month

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/05/agents-federico-gabriele-rosa-answer-questions-doping-kenya-jemima-sumgongs-positive-test/

Purity Rionoripo is now suspended but they let her run and win Paris after Sumgong's positive came out. No idea what will happen with that money or their cut of it.

larkimm wrote:

And I've just shown you that it doesn't. If you want to believe in fairies, that's up to you.

The spirit of sport is indeed in the code. This is common knowledge. What are you trying prove claiming it does not exist?

Doping is fundamentally contrary to the spirit of sport.

To fight doping by promoting the spirit of sport, the Code requires each anti-doping organization to develop and implement education and prevention programs for athletes, including youth, and athlete Support Personnel.

Source:

https://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/wada-2015-world-anti-doping-code.pdf

See page 14.

again its not that hard, L-carnitine.....how again is it connected to doping? well what did we see about HGH and the thyroid?

read this

http://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2007/12/report_thyroid/page-01

so you take HGH, normal thyroid function gets out of wack, so you take huge dosages of vit D and L-carnitine to get things back to normal....or as you are micro dosing HGH you do large dosages of vit D, thyroid meds and L-carnitine to give you the boost as if you were taking big russian style dosages and you never come up dirty.

what other compounds and vits does salazar make his athletes take? does anyone know if taking EPO causes deficiencies of hormones or vits? my guess is that it does and his athletes are also taking them as well.