Jarmila Kratochvilova explodes against IAAF erasing her 1:53.28 WR

california dreamin' wrote:

Jvjv wrote:

Is there any proof that she and the Chinese doped? Or are you guys just sexist?

There are significant records of state sponsored athletics doping programs that took place in East Germany, the USSR, and numerous Soviet Satellite nations, and dozens of athletes have gone on record saying they were forced to take steroids and other illegal drugs.

The Chinese distance phenoms of the '90s were coached by Ma Junren, who had six athletes banned from the Sydney Olympics in 2000 after they tested positive for blood doping. Wang Junxia also claimed that Junren's athletes were forced to take various illegal drugs.

Not sure why you're bringing up sexism; the Cold War Soviet and 1990s Chinese male athletes were almost certainly doping too.

I asked for PROOF that SHE doped. Proof that others doped does not prove that she doped.

Devil Dog wrote:

Jvjv wrote:Is there any proof that she and the Chinese doped?

Yeah, for starters, there's the times they ran.

Times are not proof of doping. I really hope you are kidding.

Maybe she never doped and was the first Intersex athlete to have big time success.

inthepdx wrote:

Maybe she never doped and was the first Intersex athlete to have big time success.

Maybe. Or maybe she is just a female that lifted a whole lot of weights. Until you find out what the deal is, it is unfair and ridiculous to accuse her of using drugs.

Jvjv wrote:

Is there any proof that she and the Chinese doped? Or are you guys just sexist?

I've found this, which indicates records of state sponsored doping but does not implicate Jarmila directly. The original link appears not to work, so I can only link the copy/pasted text.

Here's another article which points to a book, still no direct link:

http://www.canoe.ca/SlamOlympicScandal/feb10_czech.html

I cannot find any articles in Czech (or Slovakian) but I have found several references to some. Maybe somebody with better foreign language skills can find those.

Jvjv wrote:

california dreamin' wrote:

There are significant records of state sponsored athletics doping programs that took place in East Germany, the USSR, and numerous Soviet Satellite nations, and dozens of athletes have gone on record saying they were forced to take steroids and other illegal drugs.

The Chinese distance phenoms of the '90s were coached by Ma Junren, who had six athletes banned from the Sydney Olympics in 2000 after they tested positive for blood doping. Wang Junxia also claimed that Junren's athletes were forced to take various illegal drugs.

Not sure why you're bringing up sexism; the Cold War Soviet and 1990s Chinese male athletes were almost certainly doping too.

I asked for PROOF that SHE doped. Proof that others doped does not prove that she doped.

I figured out Santa Claus wasn't real without going to the North Pole to check.

Jvjv wrote:

inthepdx wrote:

Maybe she never doped and was the first Intersex athlete to have big time success.

Maybe. Or maybe she is just a female that lifted a whole lot of weights. Until you find out what the deal is, it is unfair and ridiculous to accuse her of using drugs.

Jarmila is very trim today in comparison to her 1980's size.

Jarmila would destroy Caster Semenya with her 47.99 400m speed.

Go Jarmila!

Looks like a bigger version of Roger Daltrey !

Jvjv wrote:

Devil Dog wrote:

Yeah, for starters, there's the times they ran.

Times are not proof of doping. I really hope you are kidding.

The Chinese record on doping:

* 1994: Seven swimmers and four other athletes test positive for dihydrotestosterone at the Asian Games in Hiroshima. China stripped of nine of its 23 gold medals.

* January 1998: Four Chinese swimmers fail pre-competition doping tests for the diuretic triamterene before swimming world championships in Perth.

-- Yuan Yuan, and her coach, Zhou Zhewen, disqualified from the championships after being caught with 13 vials of muscle-building human growth hormone (HGH) at Sydney airport. Zhou banned for 15 years, Yuan for four years.

-- Chinese Olympic Committee (COC) punished 24 athletes and coaches for doping or handing out banned drugs.

* 1999: Ten swimmers and swimming coaches suspended for doping offences, some for the second time.

* 2000: Controversial coach Ma Junren and six of his distance runners dropped from China team before the Sydney Olympics after blood tests showed abnormal results.

-- Twenty one other athletes -- including four swimmers -- cut from China team after "suspicious" test results.

* July 2001: Women runners Liquing Song and Lili Yin, who trained under Ma Junren, banned for two years after testing positive for testosterone the previous year. Male race walker Yunfeng Lui also banned for two years.

-- October - Women weightlifters Yang Xuewei and Qiu Xiexion banned for two years for doping.

-- November - Two women weightlifters and a boxer among 11 tested positive for banned substances at the National Games. A swimmer and three field athletes pulled out of competition after blood tests showed abnormal results.

* 2003: COC said 16 athletes from nine sports -- including Beijing Hyundai soccer player Zhang Shuai -- failed tests and received bans from six months to three years.

-- Swimmer Li Ning suspended for two years, her coach, Liu Guangtan, banned for life, after a positive test for banned steroid testosterone.

* October 17, 2005: Distance runner and Olympic medal hopeful Sun Yingjie lost medal and received two year ban for positive test for steroid androsterone at National Games in Nanjing.

-- December A local court found her innocent after training partner admitted spiking her drink, but authorities refused to lift ban.

* October 2007: Asian Games triathlon gold medalist Wang Hongni banned for two years, meaning she will miss Olympics, after failing out-of-competition doping test.

* June 27, 2008: China's top backstroke swimmer, 25-year-old Ouyang Kunpeng, and his coach Feng Shangbao are both banned for life after positive test for an illegal substance.

* July 2, 2008: Wrestler Luo Meng and his coach Zhang Hua handed lifetime bans after positive test for a banned diuretic.

Angry Willy wrote:

For the youngsters ...

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/DGN1DD/jarmila-kratochvilova-cze-competing-in-the-1983-world-athletics-championships-DGN1DD.jpg

Her picture irresistibly reminds me of the Ray Jessel song.

I remember him, can't believe this guy is still alive.

From wiki:

Kratochvílová was a late developer, not breaking 53 seconds for the 400 metres until she was 27, and she was 32 when she set her world records.[8]

How many other female runners could not break 53 seconds for 400m until the age of 27, and then run a 47.99 World Record for 400m and a 1:53.28 World Record for 800m at the age of 32?

Answer:

ZERO.

FALCONRUNNER22 wrote:

I remember him, can't believe this guy is still alive.

Steroids make women masculine, but they are not at all life threatening properly used.

I think her time is believable. Kratochvílová was very fit, as this NSFW topless photo shows-

http://s427.photobucket.com/user/wholiganRogerPete/media/75RDTommy-PST-RD.jpg.html

Ben L Wrong wrote:

Coach Crazy wrote:

"Her"? .....That's a stretch to say the least

She looks (nowadays) more feminine than Semenya, Niyonsaba and Wambui.

Look at today's top female sprinters, they have bigger traps than this monster. And women cannot develop bulging traps without PEDs. Period.

Back to Krat, you can tell they didn't have PCT and other regimens set up back in the day lol. That's why her bud is bulging.

inthepdx wrote:

Maybe she never doped and was the first Intersex athlete to have big time success.

Come on random letter dude. Ever hear of Stella Walsh? Irina and Tamara Press?

See me, feel me wrote:

I think her time is believable. Kratochvílová was very fit, as this NSFW topless photo shows-

http://s427.photobucket.com/user/wholiganRogerPete/media/75RDTommy-PST-RD.jpg.html

YEEEAAAAHHHH!