Flo'da boy wrote:
Also, to an earlier poster, I think Rio showed that Berian is improving when it comes to going through the rounds
Berian's never going to make it. Why? Look at the guy, he's a 400 runner. He's big and muscular like a 400 runner. He goes out hard and tries to hang on, which is the style of a 400 runner.
I don't know. Maybe it's my eyes deceiving me because he looks too heavy.
simon saoo wrote:
Flo'da boy wrote:Also, to an earlier poster, I think Rio showed that Berian is improving when it comes to going through the rounds
Berian's never going to make it. Why? Look at the guy, he's a 400 runner. He's big and muscular like a 400 runner. He goes out hard and tries to hang on, which is the style of a 400 runner.
I don't know. Maybe it's my eyes deceiving me because he looks too heavy.
In recent videos and posts that Brenda Martinez has posted Berian has looked leaner to me, but he still does have a big frame for an 800 guy I guess
We'll see soon enough if Berian has stagnated or not. We shall also see if Cas Loxom will be in the discussion soon. He's run very well in the winter in the 800 & 1000, with an 800 WL. This could be the year he breaks through.
Slightly Older Dude wrote:
Link to Ryun's Dusseldorf blast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUsEuv3Debs
Ryun embarrassed Bodo Tuumler and Harald Norporth in front of their home crowd in Düsseldorf. Awesome still to see that blast off.
Flo'da boy wrote:
scorpion_runner wrote:HELL YES!
He is coming for the crown, and he knows how to close the show. I'm not saying he is EL G, but he got that come from the pack EL G mind state.
I'm thinking it's within the realm of possibility for him to beat Coe's PRs in the 8 and the 15...and if that happens (getting ahead of myself) I think he'd be able to take the 1k record
That would be cool to see him take the record from that drug cheat Ngeny. There's no way a guy who couldn't break 1:44 in the 800, and he tried many many times, could run a 1k that fast without drugs.
Thanks for posting that link - looks more like a 46.5 split to me, but agree that he looked smooth.
JRinaldi wrote:
Thanks for posting that link - looks more like a 46.5 split to me, but agree that he looked smooth.
Thank you from me also to the guy who posted that link. TAFNews had him at 45.8 there (45.75) I believe and at 45.3 at another meet and one other sub 46 leg. Murphy is darn quick but doesn't really train to run a fast 400. He's an animal. Smooth runners tend never to look like they're running a 400 as fast and hard as they really are, you have to look at the clock. I remember the thread on this board when people flipped at Murphy's indoor 45.3 or 45.4 relay leg (I think it was on a 300m track). He has the speed needed to compete at the highest levels. Which everyone knows anyway. After all, he broke 1:43 and medaled in Rio.
simon saoo wrote:
Flo'da boy wrote:Also, to an earlier poster, I think Rio showed that Berian is improving when it comes to going through the rounds
Berian's never going to make it. Why? Look at the guy, he's a 400 runner. He's big and muscular like a 400 runner. He goes out hard and tries to hang on, which is the style of a 400 runner.
I don't know. Maybe it's my eyes deceiving me because he looks too heavy.
Berian is just lean. He really doesn't look that big in person in terms of weight. In person he looks about 165 lbs. but muscular. He was taller in person than I thought he would be. I'm 6'3" and he was almost as tall as I am. Murphy seemed to be an inch or two under 6'.
hurdlesjack wrote:
cwarcarblue11 wrote:Can't wait to see him run versus Brazier. I don't think it will be very close though.
Can't bring up Murphy on the boards without a subtle dig at Brazier. Clayton is 4 years older than Brazier and has the benefit of 4 more years of racing, 4 more years of training, 4 more years of learning the mental game of the sport.
Hobby joggers/mileage nerds feeling that sweet validation whenever they can denigrate the DB in any way at all.
In any case, great run from Murphy, who is certainly one of our brightest young stars at the moment. Can't wait to see what he does this season.
Murphy is only two years older. Close though
Tall Skinny Dude wrote:
simon saoo wrote:Berian's never going to make it. Why? Look at the guy, he's a 400 runner. He's big and muscular like a 400 runner. He goes out hard and tries to hang on, which is the style of a 400 runner.
I don't know. Maybe it's my eyes deceiving me because he looks too heavy.
Berian is just lean. He really doesn't look that big in person in terms of weight. In person he looks about 165 lbs. but muscular. He was taller in person than I thought he would be. I'm 6'3" and he was almost as tall as I am. Murphy seemed to be an inch or two under 6'.
Berian isn't 6'2. He's listed at 6'0 and I doubt he's even that.
Completely agree, American 800 is looking up, I love symmonds and Solomon but passing the torch to these young guns is great. Brazier and Murphy have the sky as the limit and they so fun to watch. I also like Sowinski ShaQ Harris and Berian I think the competition will benefit from all of them.
What impresses me the most about Brazier and Murphy is how smooth they are, they are tough and have good speed but they look soooo smooth along the way it appears they have room to get faster. Form is so critical in the 8 because from 650 home everyone is hurting and u have to hold form and they do that so well, I hope they haven't peaked too soon but I'm not too worried LaBadie and Francique know what they are doing with these kids.
Overall I don't think Murphy is kipketer/rudisha level but I would love to see it. Murphy is one of the best tactical 800 runners I've ever seen and he runs his heart out, that being said he doesn't have the dominant speed and flare that allow Rudisha to lead for 800meters, he can win any type of race and I'm not certain Murphy can. This being said a 142 800man will be a medal contender at any major champ and will have a shot at Gold when Rudisha hangs it up.
scorpion_runner wrote:
Queens Queens wrote:Why do you say you are an AA?
There are some blacks that hate on other runners because they are white, or who don't appreciate elite white runners. It's not racism, where they don't like white people, but more of an entitlement action, because of the stereotype of blacks being the superior athletes or runners.....same thing in basketball with the whole white men can't jump.
That's why I stated that...Clayton Murphy is an elite runner, white or black.
So true
My Turn to Jump In wrote:
Btw, here's Murph putting in a sub 46 relay leg in April of 2016 at the Texas Relays after winning the 800m. I agree with the other guy, Murphy looks smooth while running a fast 400.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlaPQitV4E0
Great run, great athlete, and amazing to be in 1:43.6 shape in April!
But that leg was no way sub 46. I timed it 3 times and got 46.3/46.4.
Still great leg speed for that time of year.
Deanouk wrote:
My Turn to Jump In wrote:Btw, here's Murph putting in a sub 46 relay leg in April of 2016 at the Texas Relays after winning the 800m. I agree with the other guy, Murphy looks smooth while running a fast 400.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlaPQitV4E0Great run, great athlete, and amazing to be in 1:43.6 shape in April!
But that leg was no way sub 46. I timed it 3 times and got 46.3/46.4.
Still great leg speed for that time of year.
Didn't you see the botched handoff? That was at least a half second right there.
Quarterdeck wrote:
Didn't you see the botched handoff? That was at least a half second right there.
I never said he couldn't run a sub 46, and yes I saw the messy handover, but splits don't take that into consideration. He still had a rolling start.
From line to line it was well over 46. Between 46.3-46.5. Still represents 47 flat 400 open or just under on that day. He had already run an 800 I think.
I'm sure he is capable of a sub 46, but that race wasn't one of them.
I think one of the handicaps US runners have today is their access tot eh weight room.
I Believe its over blown. Yes you need to be strong, however strength is needed at specific points not all the time.
I always see guys who strengthen-up, over work their arm action and take away from the advantages of their legs, and hip position. If arms were really that important for improvement, we'd be on all fours. They tend to drop hips, and pull themselves down the track instead of staying high and allowing their stride to progress.
Have a look at the greatest runners from the past. Herb Elliott for example. Have a look at the Ryan video in this thread, and see where they carry their arms. Its great to be strong, but not if it adds too much weight, or changes your natural action. Shortened / natural arm action leads to quicker recovery. Keeps the hips high, keeps you over your toes. Least amount of 'braking' on the ground. Better flow.
Strength is to be used like a fire extinguisher behind the glass case. Only when needed.
cwarcarblue11 wrote:
LRC Additions: Results
1. Clayton Murphy Nike 1:43.60
2. Eliud Rutto Middle Tennesee St. 1:45.70
3. Erik Sowinski Nike 1:45.95
4. Sho Kawamoto Suzuki AC 1:46.25
5. Edward Kemboi HP West 1:47.29
6. Sampson Laari Middle Tennessee St. 1:47.52
7. Abe Alvarado Unattached 1:52.38
Murphy looked very smooth when he eased into the lead ..............
You had me at "smooth."
cwarcarblue11 wrote:He's now #3 all-time in world history in the month of April.
1:43.37 Nicholas Kipkoech 2016
1:43.48 Jonathan Kitilit 2016
1:43.60 Clayton Murphy 2017
Top 3 from last 2 years. In other words: thank you Global Warming for the warm April weather that produces fast 800 times, that we didn't once have.
(all joking aside, awesome time for Murph!)
simon saoo wrote:
Berian's never going to make it.
What's your definition of "making it"? He's already a world champion, an Olympic qualifier and one of the fastest Americans ever...
I am not anti-Murphy. He raced well last year. Murphy raced well yesterday. That relay video shows Murphy raced mid-46 something in that relay leg. Have Murphy get in the starting blocks and race a FAT sub-47 400m, then get back to me.
Have Murphy get in the starting blocks and race a FAT 400m slower than 47, and then you get back to me.