Run Doctor wrote:
If you watch Andre DeGrasse sprint the first thing you'd say is, "Son you need to work on your arms because you are a mess."
How'd he do at the Olympics? I rest my case.....it does not matter!!!
He lost actually. Probably needs a little arm work.
D03r wrote:
Viren was as juiced as they came. Blood transfusions were not banned then but that's what he and the Finns were doing. He'd disapear for 4 years and turn up for 2 weeks and smash everyone over 5k/10k before going back into hiding.
He got away with it is correct.
Ok but then people are mentioning Coe (blood doping steroids accusations on these boards plus IAAF massive corruption radcliffe cover up etc etc), Bekele (ethiopia, Jama Aden EPO jos Hermans steroids etc etc), Jaunterina (Communist Bloc doping etc etc ), El G (morocco EPO doping et etc ..), or Ovett (Andy Norman manager Brit T and F drugs cover ups in the 80s steroids etc etc), or Kipkitir (Kenya massive doping over last few years revealed EPO steroids etc etc) as all having "perfect strides" or whatever when they have just as much of a cloud of suspicion about them on these boards as does Viren when is comes to doping.
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Viren had poor leg speed compared with not only Coe and Ovett but his contemporaries which makes me wonder how he won so many races.
For a start he wasn't a 400 / 800 / 1500 guy.
Oh well. This thread has just been ruined by the usual suspect.
Best leave him to posting endless nonsense to himself now.
Not only are all the last few posts completely unrelated to the topic of the thread, it's just more far fetched playing with numbers that has no baring on what actually happened.
Deano had his chance to conquer his addiction but alas he tripped the ventolin signal in the sky.
D03r wrote:
Viren was as juiced as they came. Blood transfusions were not banned then but that's what he and the Finns were doing. He'd disapear for 4 years and turn up for 2 weeks and smash everyone over 5k/10k before going back into hiding.
He got away with it is correct.
Correct
Max Denbigh wrote:
May someone elaborate on why Coe's running technique considered by many (not all) to be the best/smoothest?
How does it compare/differ to Ovett, El Guerrouj or Morceli?
Have you asked Lamine Diack about Seb's smooth "technique"?
http://1gr.cz/fotky/idnes/16/012/cl6/TEN609f8d_5d9827989ce9440f823409972d04c9f9_0.jpghttp://media.gettyimages.com/photos/lord-sebastian-coe-is-congratulated-by-outgoing-president-lamine-picture-id484439916The correct answer is:
Yes.
Cram had the same torso position as Coe:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/09/26/b5/0926b52e36a69dadc05f35475a0be824.jpg
IMO with his being a taller guy, he looked more regal when in full flight. More of a mustang compared to Coes' gazelle.
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
D03r wrote:Viren was as juiced as they came. Blood transfusions were not banned then but that's what he and the Finns were doing. He'd disapear for 4 years and turn up for 2 weeks and smash everyone over 5k/10k before going back into hiding.
He got away with it is correct.
Correct
Calculo, I'm going to rename you the undertaker, because you certainly know how to bury a thread. Three, four, five pages and then in you swoop.
How about Kip Keino and Pekka Vasala?
There are a few classic photos of their form from the 1972 1500 m final.
ANOTHER example of a mostly dead guy delivering enhanced performance and you still don't believe competition cramming is performance enhancing, not detrimental.
Didn't read past your first couple of sentences but the number of races has nothing to do with how close together they are.
Races must be packed together to deliver a peak performance.
Active Inspired wrote:
[quote]Max Denbigh wrote:
a slight forward lean, which isn't considered by many to be ideal.
moran
is this a joke?
read the title of the thread and then come back and comment.
No one is asking for opinions as to hypothetical times that have nothing to do with the athletes technique. Why must you insist on polluting every thread with the same babble.
5 pages and no one mentioned Lagat? He always seems to be just floating along when he's in the pack, nice loose shoulders and arm carriage without flailing, and when the pace turns up, everything is tight and smooth with full range of motion. And of course he is (ok, was) one of the most feared kickers out there.
Watch the video of him vs El G in 2001 when they both ran 3:26.xx, up till the final 75m where El G's strength carries him to the finish, Lagat looks quite clearly smoother and better.
Why are you wetting yourself over Scott's run in Oslo when you dismissed the time set by Coe on same track for 800wr?
You say the track's bends are too tight for Coe's time to be legit, which of course is rubbish, as in fact the shorter but tighter bends has an overall negative effect on overall time, but make no allusion to it in a hyperbolic assessment of Scott's performance on the same track!
A bit of consistency please!
As an aside, Coe's 1:42.3 in Oslo was indicative of the first sub 1:42. Not only did the tight turns slow him down by a tenth or two, but his ridiculously fast 3rd 200m of 24.8, after a previous one of 26.0 was very inefficient.
Smoothly drafted to bell in 50.0 with 24.7, 25.3, rather than the 24.6, 26.0 he got, would have resulted in the first sub 1:42.
Not at full flow, but relaxed nonetheless.
Quite a good quality piece of archive. I think it might be that 5000 jog he did in 80?
When running the last lap on a world record run, is Sebastian Coe really that "smooth"?
His posture seems upright, tight and straining especially in the last 100m.
Niki Lauda wrote:
When running the last lap on a world record run, is Sebastian Coe really that "smooth"?
His posture seems upright, tight and straining especially in the last 100m.
That is sort of what I mentioned earlier, there is a certain stiffness to his action and Ovett looks more relaxed. But a) it was effective and b) it might be more imitateable (if that word exists) than other techniques.
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Niki Lauda wrote:When running the last lap on a world record run, is Sebastian Coe really that "smooth"?
His posture seems upright, tight and straining especially in the last 100m.
That is sort of what I mentioned earlier, there is a certain stiffness to his action and Ovett looks more relaxed. But a) it was effective and b) it might be more imitateable (if that word exists) than other techniques.
Depends how quickly they are running doesn't it?
Certainly if you compare Coe's last lap in his 3rd mile WR compared to Ovett's 2nd mile WR 2 days earlier, Coe looked more relaxed and certainly ran a lot faster in the closing stages!
Ovett looked all out in the last 100 whereas Coe was getting faster all the time.
Coe's posture and technique changed in the last 100 on purpose, because he ran like a sprinter. Keeping a smooth relaxed pace in the last 100 will not win you the race, unless the opposition is markedly weaker.
