What will you do if Evan Jager breaks the steeple world record?

malmo wrote:

coloradorunner12345 wrote:

based on his unimpressive 5000 meter run in Zurich, I doubt he'll break 8 minutes.

What was unimpressive about Zurich? He was third in against a stacked field, which included everyone except for Farah, and almost won it.

The Zurich 5000 was unimpressive because Jager failed to run the sub-13 that so many were expecting. Very simple really.

I suggest you also read malmo's description of his 8'05

also, here is his race record & you can see the criminal number of races he ran in '78 :

also, there are races that defiy belief :

dixon says he ran a 13'17 in lane 3 in a downpour of a race

that's ~ 16m extra per lap if he ran whole race in 3 or ~ for 12.5 laps an extra of 200m ->

13'17 for 5200m -> for 5000m ~ 12'46 !!!

in a downpour !!!

it's aso stated that he was 10 - 15 pounds overweight in '82 & that year he ran 27'29 to beat salazar

say he weighed 160 & was 10 - 15 pounds overweight when running 27'29

basic physics tells you his time if fighting weight of 145 or 150 his clocking wouda been

27'29 * ( 150 / 160 )^{1/3) = 26'53 !!

to

27'29 * ( 145 / 160 )^{1/3) = 26'35 !!!

if you don't believe physics, that's another issue but physics tells us, that in '82 if he was upto 15 pounds overweight when running 27'29, he couda expected at fighting weight

~ 26'35

& that's just from 15 pounds of liposucking blubber before gun went off & no account of the fitness detriment he musta had ballooning upto 15 pounds heavier

here is race description :

he readily admits he wasn't in shape to run a race of distance as long as 10k :

however, it seems this was one of the few times in his life that he ran some semblance of even-pace indicating to us what he coud run at even pace instead of that nonsense fast-slow-fast-slow rubbish he usually ran

another article about rono, this time his 13'06.2WRhttp://www.irishtimes.com/sport/phelps-could-learn-from-rono-s-story-of-recovery-1.694915

one has to wonder :

what if he had :

1) not drunk so heavily night before ?

2) not run "near flat-out for 1 hour+" prior to 5k ?

how fast if sober + no morning run in '81 & fastest possible pacers for Knarvik ?

this post, the one above & malmo's all indicate Rono wouda obliterated 8'00 barrier in '78 - '82 if properly rested, temperate weather, decent pacers & of course no boozing

He won't break 8 just like he didn't break 13 when everyone thought he would

It would be awesome.

Maybe even better than the Centro 1500m gold

What about Bobby K? wrote:

In 1994 Bob Kennedy ran 13:02.93 in a year when the WR was 12:58.39 coming into the year and was lowered to 12:56.96 during the season. That is a closer ratio than Jager currently has to the WR.

The problem was Bob was never a threat to win a fast, rabbited race. By 1996 when Bob ran 12:58.21 the WR was down to 12:44.39.

I was thinking of that same scenario.

If Kennedy ran his PR 2 years earlier, he would have been the world record holder.

(although I don't think he won the race)

Gebrselassie broke through a mental barrier for everyone.

After he ran 12:44, people though sub 13 was nothing, and then they were able to do it.

So far the most surprising performance of the year was Chelimo's 2nd in the Oly 5000. Jager world record would eclipse that, but the steeple is just one of those world records you don't expect to fall soon. You just don't have a lot of record chases in the steeplechase and you need near perfect weather and a race that doesn't go out a shade too fast.

kvothe wrote:

So far the most surprising performance of the year was Chelimo's 2nd in the Oly 5000. Jager world record would eclipse that, but the steeple is just one of those world records you don't expect to fall soon. You just don't have a lot of record chases in the steeplechase and you need near perfect weather and a race that doesn't go out a shade too fast.

Most surprising is subjective. Chelimo's silver was surprising, as was Clayton Murphy's bronze, Centro's gold, WVN's world record, Vivian C's gold, F Kipyegon's gold. At least to many these were all surprises, and I am sure there were others.

Skips Arm Day wrote:

Why are certain people always coming here to tell everybody how much they don't care about what this website is about?

Attention whores

Star wrote:

Gebrselassie broke through a mental barrier for everyone.

After he ran 12:44, people though sub 13 was nothing, and then they were able to do it.

Is that true, or was it mostly because Haile was also in most of those other sub13 races?

Star wrote:

What about Bobby K? wrote:

In 1994 Bob Kennedy ran 13:02.93 in a year when the WR was 12:58.39 coming into the year and was lowered to 12:56.96 during the season. That is a closer ratio than Jager currently has to the WR.

The problem was Bob was never a threat to win a fast, rabbited race. By 1996 when Bob ran 12:58.21 the WR was down to 12:44.39.

I was thinking of that same scenario.

If Kennedy ran his PR 2 years earlier, he would have been the world record holder.

(although I don't think he won the race)

I saw an article like that at the time about how Kennedy would have had the world record a year earlier when he ran 12:58. Kennedy was a great runner and was miles ahead of other Americans at the time. But he never won an international race, so to talk about world records was laughable.

malmo wrote:

here you go wrote:

[quote]malmo wrote:

[quote]Here you go wrote:

[quote]malmo wrote:

[quote]coloradorunner12345 wrote:

based on his unimpressive 5000 meter run in Zurich, I doubt he'll break 8 minutes.

What was unimpressive about Zurich? He was third in against a stacked field, which included everyone except for Farah, and almost won it.

Malmo , What race were you watching??? He did not almost win it in Zurich. Seriously that looked like a semi of Worlds or the Olympics in which some yahoo goes out too hard and the rest of the field coasts along and then blasts the last lap past the yahoo. Jager looked terrible and got mowed down with a 50 meter lead going into the last lap. He is spent and will be lucky to muster out an 8:0something. WR-ha ha ha ,I thought this was a joke thread. AR- almost as laughable after that last race. You have lost touch Malmo.

Sure! hand me a martini wrote:

malmo wrote:

What was unimpressive about Zurich? He was third in against a stacked field, which included everyone except for Farah, and almost won it.

Malmo , What race were you watching??? He did not almost win it in Zurich. Seriously that looked like a semi of Worlds or the Olympics in which some yahoo goes out too hard and the rest of the field coasts along and then blasts the last lap past the yahoo. Jager looked terrible and got mowed down with a 50 meter lead going into the last lap. He is spent and will be lucky to muster out an 8:0something. WR-ha ha ha ,I thought this was a joke thread. AR- almost as laughable after that last race. You have lost touch Malmo.

mowed down by two fast runners who readily dropped the field. Jager was 3rd regardless of the race he ran.

They were all surprises, and Chelimo was the most surprising. He finished higher in the Olympics than at the Trials!

new WR wrote:

Sure! hand me a martini wrote:

Malmo , What race were you watching??? He did not almost win it in Zurich. Seriously that looked like a semi of Worlds or the Olympics in which some yahoo goes out too hard and the rest of the field coasts along and then blasts the last lap past the yahoo. Jager looked terrible and got mowed down with a 50 meter lead going into the last lap. He is spent and will be lucky to muster out an 8:0something. WR-ha ha ha ,I thought this was a joke thread. AR- almost as laughable after that last race. You have lost touch Malmo.

mowed down by two fast runners who readily dropped the field. Jager was 3rd regardless of the race he ran.

uh yeah, it does make a difference. If they had caught him and he had run sub 13 at least we could say he ran a fast time and he went for it. That isn't what happened. He died terribly. The guy has peaked for the season. He peaked at the Olympics a month ago. Why doesn't anyone get that. These diamond league races after the Olympics are to get paid$. I mean come on, we are talking about him breaking the world record. He went through the 3k split in 7:56 with no barriers and you think he can go faster and break the world record with barriers and a water pit?? That is hilarious

Sure! hand me a martini wrote:

malmo wrote:

What was unimpressive about Zurich? He was third in against a stacked field, which included everyone except for Farah, and almost won it.

Malmo , What race were you watching??? He did not almost win it in Zurich. Seriously that looked like a semi of Worlds or the Olympics in which some yahoo goes out too hard and the rest of the field coasts along and then blasts the last lap past the yahoo. Jager looked terrible and got mowed down with a 50 meter lead going into the last lap. He is spent and will be lucky to muster out an 8:0something. WR-ha ha ha ,I thought this was a joke thread. AR- almost as laughable after that last race. You have lost touch Malmo.

I watched this race tough guy? The one who took it to the best 5000m specialists in the world. This one:

Jager is now a 'yahoo'? I'm 100% positive that Jager commands huge respect from every single runner in that stacked field. Give up the childish bullshat, man.

You have terrible reading comprehension malmo.

Would they let him get a 50 meter lead if they were really concerned about his ability?

That's almost a total lack of respect.

Give up man. You're ridiculous. DL 5000m point contenders were focused on each other and only two of them were able to catch Jager.

Ha Ha yeah he really took it to them as they jogged. Big difference in letting someone go and not being able to hang with them. If they respected him they would have gone with him in the beginning. Malmo, you raced at the highest level and have to see that. geez, watch the race again if you don't believe me.