Lickety Split wrote: ROJO: your killing me .... Dan Browne? You really think he coaches Chelimo? C'mon Man!
Never mind the fact that it Chelimo's silver was a medal for Kenya. And, no, I'm not a rac1st. I'm a realist.
Lickety Split wrote: ROJO: your killing me .... Dan Browne? You really think he coaches Chelimo? C'mon Man!
Never mind the fact that it Chelimo's silver was a medal for Kenya. And, no, I'm not a rac1st. I'm a realist.
ryan foreman wrote:
All the testimony from the other NOP athletes speaks for itself. And its pretty consistent. Salazar was asking them to do things they didn't feel comfortable doing. In short, they didn't trust Salazar. And even if you can successfully argue that all those athletes were the problem and not Salazar, then why did Salazar invite them to work with NOP in the first place?
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What athletes and what testimony are you referring to?
GJK wrote:
ryan, why do you make stuff up? Nike loves Alberto Salazar. He has given them his life and his health. He is the most commanding voice about running on campus. All projects with equipment are run through him for his insights. They named a building after him and have made him a millionaire. That is love of a brand. Phil Knight, Mark Parker, and Trevor Edwards all speak highly of him. Have you ever been to a sales meeting?
He makes it up because he's jealous, especially after Rupp winning a second Olympic medal and Centro winning Gold.
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End Of An Era wrote:
Pete Julian taking over the reigns at NOP. Salazar will work only with Galen in Portland from here moving forward. This is from a source VERY close to the fact.
I've heard differently. Salazar to stay. Julian to leave. Make nothing of it. Those two are tight. Julian has been a rock for Alberto (especially though the doping storm). I believe Julian may have been approached with a "can't turn down" opportunity. Especially after the recent NOP success, Julian is likely in the best position to capitalize on his knowledge and experience. He would be foolish to not explore other opportunities.
I agree. Wetmore is the greatest coach. He coached two out of two bronze medalists and also coaches one of the best college distance programs in the country.
The greatest chemist wrote:
LOL. Seriously. Punishment for being the greatest coach on planet earth is retirement. Not believable. At all.Greatest coach on planet Earth? Not even close. The greatest chemist, with access to the best chemical research. Using his own son as a guinea pig. Total d-bag.
End of an era wrote:
- hence the whole reason for OTC...which eventually split into otce, BTC, NOP.
Incorrect.
OTC was formed by Bowerman himself in about 1949 (prior to Alberto's birth) to generate support for the UofO program.
Nike Oregon Project was an Alberto creation at lunchtime blessed by Mr Knight
only split was regarding formation of OTC Elite- Mr Schumacher was at NOP for a short spell...
Leaders in every industry on earth are a$$holes. The top coaches in every sport are nuts. Everything you people are accusing Al Sal of is par for the course.
Steve Jobs, Hillary Clinton, Woody Hayes, Bill Belichick, Jim Harbaugh, Nick Saban, Coach K, Lou Pinella, Bela Karolyi, Bobby Knight, Bill Parcells, Howard Hughes, and etc.....
The list of insane coaches, politicians, leaders of industry, actors, scientists and more could go on endlessly. So, why do we expect one to the top track coaches in the world to be any different? NASCAR as a sport brags, "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'!"
Alberto was probably coddled in high school, college and at Nike, so he's bound to act like a spoiled ass child.
Eighty eight wrote:
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End Of An Era wrote:Pete Julian taking over the reigns at NOP. Salazar will work only with Galen in Portland from here moving forward. This is from a source VERY close to the fact.
I've heard differently. Salazar to stay. Julian to leave. Make nothing of it. Those two are tight. Julian has been a rock for Alberto (especially though the doping storm). I believe Julian may have been approached with a "can't turn down" opportunity. Especially after the recent NOP success, Julian is likely in the best position to capitalize on his knowledge and experience. He would be foolish to not explore other opportunities.
I think Julian leaves. Salazar Retires. Rupp takes over the Oregon Project with Salazar as his special consultant.
End Of An Era wrote:
Pete Julian taking over the reigns at NOP. Salazar will work only with Galen in Portland from here moving forward. This is from a source VERY close to the fact.
I do not believe this, but even if it turns out to be basically true, how much different is this from what is already been the case at the OP? Julian has been playing a major role. Alex Salazar is always around. Can Julian take a heavier load? He isn't the most healthy person in the world.
http://www.oregonlive.com/trackandfield/index.ssf/2014/07/pete_julians_race_isnt_over_bu.htmlIf the NOP ceases to exist tomorrow, Alberto will still be coaching Rupp until Rupp retires. Without NOP, the following athletes might need to find new coaches:
2016 Olympic Medalists:
Matthew Centrowitz - his dad can always coach him
Mohamed Muktar Jama Farah - close to retirement, has other coaches
2016 Olympians:
Shannon Rowbury - 4th in 1500 in Rio, can always go to BTC
Suguru Osako -17th in 10,000 & 28th in 5000 in Rio - can go back to Japan
The Rest:
Eric Jenkins - 4th in 5000 at OT
Cam Levins - 7th in 5000 at Canadian OT (2012 Olympian)
Jordan Hasay - 9th in 10,000 & 13th in 5000 at OT
Mary Cain - 11th in 1500 at OT
Treniere Moser - 16th in 1500 at OT, probably already retired
Besides Rupp, only Centrowitz & Jenkins, and perhaps Osako, could be said to be on the upward side of the curve with regards to age & performance.
If Salazar retires, even if NOP disbands, so what? It has accomplished its original goals, and American distance running has rebounded even outside of the NOP. A job well done. Thanks, Phil & Alberto!
Mmmm..yeahhh! Chelimo is coached by Dan Browne. 2 years ago I came back from Afghanistan and trained with him before the Army Ten Miler. He ran a 51sh and got like 15th place (doo doo butter). After that he went to train with Maj Dan Browne who fought with Salazar's help to train in Portland. The result being World Champiomship Indoor Team in the 3k and an Olympic Silver medal. He was coached by Americans representing Americans as an American. So don't bring Kenya into this. Let's be real!
Alberto Salazar: "It is impossible to be world class or win an Olympic medal without using PEDs."
centro - doping cheater
rupp - doping cheater
mo - doping cheater
rowbury - doping cheater
hasay - doping cheater
HannerEnglandah. wrote:
Alberto Salazar: "It is impossible to be world class or win an Olympic medal without using PEDs."
centro - doping cheater
rupp - doping cheater
mo - doping cheater
rowbury - doping cheater
hasay - doping cheater
FSU imports foreigners like Hannah England in a pathetically futile attempt to win NCAA championship titles.
Just a few others:
Anne Zagre
Barbara Parker
Susan Kuijken
Kimberly Williams
Ciaran O’Lionaird
Dorian Scott
Kevin Borlee
Jonathan Borlee
Ricardo Chambers
Andrew Lemoncello
Who said anything ugly?
End of an era wrote:
Take it down a notch, boys. Though very obsessive, driven, and intense, Salazar truly cares 100% about his athletes. He WANTS them to succeed. He cares for American distance running- hence the whole reason for OTC...which eventually split into otce, BTC, NOP. My original post was not made as a negative, and should not be taken that way. Salazar did his thing, made a massive contribution in setting the bar high for American success, and is just dialing things back a bit. Nothing more. Nothing less. It's not because of any investigation. His group of athletes just put on a show, as did men and women from the other 3 groups he was directly/indirectly responsible for the creation of. Be happy about that! At the end of the day, please remember that he's also human. Meaning, there's no need for all the ugly things being said. When someone posts something so completely negative, I feel it is more of a reflection on their character, rather than the one they are trying to denigrate. Everytime I've ever been in contact with the man over the last 20 years, he's been nothing less than kind, and always seemed genuinely interested in how my own personal training was progressing. Let your hate go. As was mentioned, be happy for the huge contribution that he has made to a sport we all enjoy (and some of us love).
Who's name is Ryan foreman?
ryan foreman wrote:
Who said anything ugly?
End of an era wrote:Take it down a notch, boys. Though very obsessive, driven, and intense, Salazar truly cares 100% about his athletes. He WANTS them to succeed. He cares for American distance running- hence the whole reason for OTC...which eventually split into otce, BTC, NOP. My original post was not made as a negative, and should not be taken that way. Salazar did his thing, made a massive contribution in setting the bar high for American success, and is just dialing things back a bit. Nothing more. Nothing less. It's not because of any investigation. His group of athletes just put on a show, as did men and women from the other 3 groups he was directly/indirectly responsible for the creation of. Be happy about that! At the end of the day, please remember that he's also human. Meaning, there's no need for all the ugly things being said. When someone posts something so completely negative, I feel it is more of a reflection on their character, rather than the one they are trying to denigrate. Everytime I've ever been in contact with the man over the last 20 years, he's been nothing less than kind, and always seemed genuinely interested in how my own personal training was progressing. Let your hate go. As was mentioned, be happy for the huge contribution that he has made to a sport we all enjoy (and some of us love).
From all the reporting on the doping allegations. Its not just Goucher or Magness. I recall up to about a dozen athletes who had associated with Salazar being negative to some degree or another in their experience with Salazar. I think Fleshman's comments best get to the heart of Salazar. Its true, Salazar was not her coach. She was just a Nike athlete. And Fleshman did have some praise for Salazar. Nevertheless, Fleshman came away from her association with Salazar feeling uncomfortable. That alone reflects bad coaching. I don't care about whether the prescription drug use was wrong. I defend Salazar in all the doping allegations. But Salazar is not paying attention to how athletes feel about things. That's just wrong. As a coach that is part of your job.
tse wrote:
ryan foreman wrote:All the testimony from the other NOP athletes speaks for itself. And its pretty consistent. Salazar was asking them to do things they didn't feel comfortable doing. In short, they didn't trust Salazar. And even if you can successfully argue that all those athletes were the problem and not Salazar, then why did Salazar invite them to work with NOP in the first place?
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What athletes and what testimony are you referring to?
WrongAgain wrote:
sleazazar wrote:A good coach and a terrible human being. The latter carries more weight with me, and I won't miss him.
He's actually very friendly and. Cordial in person.
That's because you are looking at him face-to-face and he can't see your back and where to stick his knife.
It's no allegation that Salazar was Mary Slaney's coach when she was caught and banned for using testosterone.
Juanbo6 wrote:
After that he went to train with Maj Dan Browne who fought with Salazar's help to train in Portland.
Aha, we finally have some evidence that athletes in the WCAP actually do some actual fighting. This changes my whole outlook on this military program.
ryan foreman wrote:
From all the reporting on the doping allegations.
Its not just Goucher or Magness. I recall up to about a dozen athletes who had associated with Salazar being negative to some degree or another in their experience with Salazar.
I think Fleshman's comments best get to the heart of Salazar. Its true, Salazar was not her coach. She was just a Nike athlete. And Fleshman did have some praise for Salazar. Nevertheless, Fleshman came away from her association with Salazar feeling uncomfortable. That alone reflects bad coaching.
I don't care about whether the prescription drug use was wrong. I defend Salazar in all the doping allegations. But Salazar is not paying attention to how athletes feel about things. That's just wrong. As a coach that is part of your job.
tse wrote:What athletes and what testimony are you referring to?
It was a leading question. You have no idea what was said or who said it (other than Magness and the Gouchers). It's anecdotal at best.
ryan foreman wrote:
From all the reporting on the doping allegations.
Its not just Goucher or Magness. I recall up to about a dozen athletes who had associated with Salazar being negative to some degree or another in their experience with Salazar.
I think Fleshman's comments best get to the heart of Salazar. Its true, Salazar was not her coach. She was just a Nike athlete. And Fleshman did have some praise for Salazar. Nevertheless, Fleshman came away from her association with Salazar feeling uncomfortable. That alone reflects bad coaching.
I don't care about whether the prescription drug use was wrong. I defend Salazar in all the doping allegations. But Salazar is not paying attention to how athletes feel about things. That's just wrong. As a coach that is part of your job.
tse wrote:What athletes and what testimony are you referring to?
Fleshman seems to forget things are tough at the top. When Kara Goucher qualified for both the 5 and 10k olympics , Fleshman was hoping Goucher would drop the 5K and let her run in her first Olympics. What actually happened was both Goucher and her coach Salazar broke off all communication with Fleshman. The sport owes you nothing and Fleshman had her feeling hurt by Salazar who was looking after the best interest of his athlete.