CLAYTON MF MURPHY - Murphy runs 1:42.93 to take Olympic broze behind Rudisha and Makhloufi

ShaqOfTheMAC wrote:

MAC is dominate!!!

Well, that's because it's update.

The present is very good also. Two men in the 800 final 8, and 2 women in the 1500 final 12; 3 marathoners finishing 6th thru 9th. After decades of total African dominance, I am surprised to see these results.

From 1:45 to 1:42 in one year. The year he started with "grey area" Nike.

From 1:50 to 1:42 in two years.

Nope! Nothing to look at here!

romanescu wrote:

Benjamins wrote:

He's not on anything. His progression is from being a late bloomer in the sport and not knowing how good he actually was. The kid has nasty talent, Symmonds esque strength (or better) with 45sec splitting ability.

Ahh. There are none so blind as those who will not see.You guys could at least be consistent. How about the people who have broken world records at this meet? Also late bloomers who did not know how good they were? You don't think they also have nasty talent?

Murphy is that most obvious doper of the whole games.

Clayton a Tri-Village High School graduate set a Division III State meet record in the 1600 meters with his 4:11.72 in 2013.

I think Rudisha identified how Murphy has been able to have such an astonishing progression. Murphy runs the perfect race every time for his abilities and does not get caught up in tactics. How many times have we shaken our collective heads at dumb front running? In the US trials, Brazier blasted to the lead, but a calm and disciplined Murphy patiently paced the race and cruised right past Brazier. How many times have we shaken our heads at Symmonds spasmatic pacing where he sits in last, puts on a huge surge to the front and then gets boxed on the last turn only to have to swing wide and put on a massive sprint to get back into the mix? Murphy just knows exactly where he needs to be in order to run his best and nails it every time. He does not panic when the pace is fast early, but does not let himself fall too far back either. He sets himself up perfectly every time for the final kick and does not worry when he gets temporarily boxed by surging runners on the last turn. The 800 is a race with zero margin for error. How many times have runners gone out in shape to run 1:44 and crap out with a 1:48 due to terrible execution? Murphy is a rare talent in that he can always nail his race no matter what is happening around him. There very well may be others out there who are actually faster, but they blow it because they fail to execute. That is what makes the 800 so interesting.

hypocrisy is nice wrote:

[quote]romanescu wrote:

Murphy is that most obvious doper of the whole games.

You are the most obviously lazy troll on the boards. Try to step things up.

this. i love that one of our own -- a USA athlete -- comes in, does well and does something nobody else in the USA has been able to do since the 1992 olympics mostly due to a cool head and smart racing, and all of a sudden he's doping? get over yourselves. clayton is clean.

Makhloufi can't get his medal revoked for doping "once again," because he has never been caught doping before. Until he is caught the first time, we should enjoy the performances and workouts, because he is entertaining and tough.

I've noticed quite a few people trying to compare Clayton's high school to post college progression as doping.

1. Historically, hundreds of athletes make incredible progressions from high school years to post collegiate years (i.e. strength training, mileage, form, emphasis on recovery), so this should not be a "Surprise."

2. You can't compare.. and I repeat.. can't compare a high school athlete's five year natural progression as "doping" to multiple world records being obliterated by countries who have already been under drug scrutiny over the following months. That would be like an 800 runner just running a 1:38 and everyone being like.. "Man that seems pretty normal that one man has easily broken 1:40 but hey that Ethiopian girl just ran a 29:50 and 5 years ago she was running 31 flat so she's a doper." At least a 1:42 is a realistic time. We all have high reason to believe that these countries are guilty. Last time I checked, Clayton Murphy's college coach wasn't recently found with 60 Syringes in the akron locker room.

3. To all of you who are accusing American's as biased to doping: Go look at the Women's 1500 results from 2012 and tell me again why we have reason to be suspicious of specific countries in distance running.

Are you saying American's are not accused of doping? what happened to the NOP investigation? we have not heard anything about it lately. Salazar is well known for using anything to enhance performance and every one knows that. I am not saying Murphy is a doper, but you can not assume that he is clean because he is American and because he is in college. Look how much he improve on the last two years, and how he is still going strong after very long season of college and professional. The guy went from 1:46 outdoor pr to 1:42 pr in 7 months.

Also talking about the ethiopian women who ran 29:17, her coach have not been accused with anything. She has been in very good shape since she change from steeplechase to the 5km and 10km. she has run close to world record multiple times. she is the world champion from 2015. she is undefeated the last 2 years.

Let just enjoy these moments, until they get caught, both these athletes are clean!

Clayton Murphy is the guy we all thought Wheating would turn out to be a few years ago.

Also, in defense of the Americans like Murphy and Huddle who ran such insane times. In both those races the runners up front were almost certainly dopers. Those people are essentially the perfect rabbits, and as long as you run a smart race and can hang just off the insane pace it's a great set up for fast times.

How many times in the last 10 years has an American 800 runner had the chance to come through 400 in around 50 flat and yet be tucked comfortably into 4th or 5th?

throw in the fact that it's the olympics and everyone is theoretically peaking and in top form, and the fast times aren't quite as suspect.

Bonkers wrote:

How many times in the last 10 years has an American 800 runner had the chance to come through 400 in around 50 flat and yet be tucked comfortably into 4th or 5th?

Actually a lot of times. But none of them could keep up with the big guns. And yes, a lot of the big guns are doped, especially the East Africans, now that literally every name supported with them has been found with drugs, handing out drugs, is being investigated. Officials will sweep it under the rug.

Huddle, Murphy, Coburn and others are actually tested year round unlike a lot of their E. African competitors.

The formula N = D;

1. 2016 1:45 to 1:42

2. 2015 1:50

3. he is white

4. he is a NOPer

2016 1:42.93

2015 1:45.59 Eugene (Hayward Field), OR 28 JUN

2014 1:50.03 Norwalk, CA

Nope! Nothing to look at here!

calculo wrote:

calculo wrote:

not quite

1'43.97 to 1'42.33

nijel is only man to skip 1'42s completely, going from :

1'43.11 to 1'41.73

further research

just 1 guy has ever skipped the 1'43's before

that was onyancha in '96 :

- ran 1'44.83 for 7th in monaco in '95

- then ran 1'44.7A in semi of nairobi trials in '96

- he ran 1'44.10A in nairobi trials final for 2nd

- then in atlanta took pb down with 3rd in atlanta semis to 1'44.02

- finally, in atanta final, he came 3rd with 1'42.79 !!

This is nifty, thanks.

Anyone may or may not be doping, but it has been obvious all year that Murphy's left something in the tank. NCAA final, OT final, OG semi, he kicked for what he needed in these races that didn't go out super fast. It was very clear he had at least a 1:43.5 in him. And he should have a 3:31-32 up his sleeve if he runs anything post-OG.

[quote]Metro East Runner wrote:

I've noticed quite a few people trying to compare Clayton's high school to post college progression as doping.

2. You can't compare.. and I repeat.. can't compare a high school athlete's five year natural progression as "doping" to multiple world records being obliterated by countries who have already been under drug scrutiny over the following months. That would be like an 800 runner just running a 1:38 and everyone being like.. "Man that seems pretty normal that one man has easily broken 1:40 but hey that Ethiopian girl just ran a 29:50 and 5 years ago she was running 31 flat so she's a doper." At least a 1:42 is a realistic time. We all have high reason to believe that these countries are guilty. Last time I checked, Clayton Murphy's college coach wasn't recently found with 60 Syringes in the akron locker room.

Well, since we're just going to talk about entire countries, I find it much more suspicious that a country that has been largely irrelevant in recent times (as measured by medal hauls at major championships) would all of a sudden produce a medallist - especially one who was running high school times just two years ago and who made the team in the 'wrong' event. What I don't find surprising is that an East African runner would produce a dominant result in an event which for many years now has been dominated by East Africans - both in terms of quality and quantity. Last time you checked, were the coaches of all the Americans busted for doping over the years found with syringes in their possession?

He is a good tactical runner. But in this race he clearly ran for bronze. Is there anything wrong with that? I guess not. But, I do appreciate runners that aim to win, even if they fade - like Bosse. I know, I know, Muphy has the medal, Bosse doesn't, but still I appreciate Bosse's attempt. It's one thing to lay it all out there going for the win and end up with silver or bronze; it's another to just run for silver and bronze. That said, I think we'll see Murphy aiming for gold soon enough.

D-Nice wrote:

He is a good tactical runner. But in this race he clearly ran for bronze. Is there anything wrong with that? I guess not. But, I do appreciate runners that aim to win, even if they fade - like Bosse. I know, I know, Muphy has the medal, Bosse doesn't, but still I appreciate Bosse's attempt. It's one thing to lay it all out there going for the win and end up with silver or bronze; it's another to just run for silver and bronze. That said, I think we'll see Murphy aiming for gold soon enough.

This is a fantastic point that should not be overlooked. Similar to Centro in 2011 compared to 2015. Last year he stated he was running to win, and ended up 8th. I'm wondering what he will do in the final this year- does he go for the win or silver?

2012

1st David Rudisha Kenya 1:40.91 WR

2nd Nijel Amos Botswana 1:41.73 WJR, NR

3rd Timothy Kitum Kenya 1:42.53 PB

4 Duane Solomon United States 1:42.82 PB

5 Nick Symmonds United States 1:42.95 PB

6 Mohammed Aman Ethiopia 1:43.20 NR

7 Abubaker Kaki Sudan 1:43.32 SB

8 Andrew Osagie Great Britain 1:43.77 PB

"I find it much more suspicious that a country that has been largely irrelevant in recent times medal hauls at major championships"

Duane and Symmonds were about the size of your knowledge of distance running away from medaling. They didn't bring home the hardware but they are far from irrelevant. Also, Murphy ran a 4:02 mile two years ago. If I'm not mistaken, that isn't considered high school caliber. If you consider that HS caliber, then you might be confusing the 1500 with the mile.