I'm not a big fan of these publicity seekers. They put a bad light on their sport. Are they trying to build an excuse if they dont win?
The obsession over peds is really sickening and detracts from the enjoyment of watching sport.
I'm not a big fan of these publicity seekers. They put a bad light on their sport. Are they trying to build an excuse if they dont win?
The obsession over peds is really sickening and detracts from the enjoyment of watching sport.
Bad for the sport... wrote:
I'm not a big fan of these publicity seekers. They put a bad light on their sport. Are they trying to build an excuse if they dont win?
They are subconsciously building an excuse for when they caught. They had to cheat because that's the only way to beat cheaters--the Lance rationale.
Sounds like the IOC has forgotten their own oath:
"In the name of all the competitors (participants) I promise that we shall take part in these Olympic Games, respecting and abiding by the rules which govern them, committing ourselves to a sport without doping and without drugs, in the true spirit of sportsmanship, for the glory of sport and the honor of our teams."
I was thinking the same thing. Then I thought back to 2012 when USA Swimming was allowing Jessica Hardy to go collect Olympic medals after being busted at the 2008 Trials and serving a whopping 1 year suspension and I don't recall that being even a blip on the radar. Since she sat out an Olympics was that somehow ok but other countries need lifetime bans. Good that they're coming around to call out Gatlin and Gay now but need to be just as critical as their own as given the numbers game it's a safe bet to say that the US sent by far more past, current and future dopers to these Olympics than any other country.
va coach hoped: The bottom line has always been that athletes are responsible for what they put in their bodies.
Except if you are Australian. Then they decide that the amount was too small to matter (even though it was also in the B sample), or that it was "just" a masking agent (heh heh), et cetera, and a convenient "reprimand" is given.
Oh yeah, after FINA hid the whole thing from WADA for about 2 years.
http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/kylie-palmer-escapes-with-a-reprimand
The Fédération Internationale de Natation (FINA) has decided to issue Kylie Palmer with a reprimand after the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) upheld a World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) appeal against an earlier decision not to bring forward an anti-doping rule violation (ADRV) against the Australian. Palmer (pictured) withdrew from the 2015 FINA World Championships this summer, voluntarily accepting a provisional suspension after FINA notified her and Swimming Australia of a 2013 positive test for ‘low levels’ of furosemide.
FINA had initially decided that no action should be taken against Palmer, however this year, WADA decided to appeal to the CAS against FINA’s decision not to bring forward an ADRV against Palmer. The CAS ruling ordered FINA to bring forward the findings as an ADRV, which is why Palmer and Swimming Australia were only alerted to the 2013 positive on 13 April 2015.
Central to all this is that a positive does not mean a cheat. You have to have a guiltymind to cheat
I agree with use of the word "cheat", though the nuance is often lost. Proving intent is nearly impossible unless someone on the inside testifies against you (and then they get their story rebutted anyway).
Hiding from their untruths wrote:
Bad for the sport... wrote:I'm not a big fan of these publicity seekers. They put a bad light on their sport. Are they trying to build an excuse if they dont win?
They are subconsciously building an excuse for when they caught. They had to cheat because that's the only way to beat cheaters--the Lance rationale.
+1
If you call someone a murder or a rapist without proof you're guilty of slander. Bad sportsmanship is bad PR for the entire sport. Track and Field has enough of a PR problem as it is.
The chic failed two drug tests and that was what she said so who needs "proof" of facts. No one has called out the gal from Hungary even though she is more than likely doping. And you can say you "think" someone is murderer or a rapist and you're not guilty of anything other than sharing your opinion. Actually I think it's what the sports need as fans are already turned off by what they perceive as organized cheating beyond just Russia. If more people speak up maybe the lifetime bans will become reality. I mean look at cycling - instead of fighting it everyone just became complicit in it. Unfortunately it looks like track and swimming are going or have gone the same way.
Tony S wrote:
...who needs "proof" of facts...
Yeah, let's just hand out medals based on gut feelings about who's clean or not. That'll be good PR for T&A! :-P
Bad for the sport... wrote:
I'm not a big fan of these publicity seekers. They put a bad light on their sport. Are they trying to build an excuse if they dont win?
The obsession over peds is really sickening and detracts from the enjoyment of watching sport.
drug apologist
you are against clean sport.
Hiding from their untruths wrote:
Bad for the sport... wrote:I'm not a big fan of these publicity seekers. They put a bad light on their sport. Are they trying to build an excuse if they dont win?
They are subconsciously building an excuse for when they caught. They had to cheat because that's the only way to beat cheaters--the Lance rationale.
The only people who want clean sport and call out dopers are dopers themselves? moron.
Bad for the sport... wrote:
The obsession over peds is really sickening and detracts from the enjoyment of watching sport.
I think what you mean to say is that PEDs are really sickening and detract from the enjoyment of watching the sport.
Your attitude is what has given us dirty sport. The governing bodies have no interest in making sport clean as long as fans are willfully blind and insist on ever faster times. If the fans were disgusted by dirty sport, then the governing bodies would have to produce a cleaner product.
800 dude wrote:
Bad for the sport... wrote:The obsession over peds is really sickening and detracts from the enjoyment of watching sport.
I think what you mean to say is that PEDs are really sickening and detract from the enjoyment of watching the sport.
Your attitude is what has given us dirty sport. The governing bodies have no interest in making sport clean as long as fans are willfully blind and insist on ever faster times. If the fans were disgusted by dirty sport, then the governing bodies would have to produce a cleaner product.
Well, let's start by using correct terminology then. There's no such thing as performance enhancing drugs slash PEDs. As every adult knows training breaks down muscles. Recovery is where the the improvment takes place. Hence it should be called Recovery Enhancing Drugs slash REDs. And a super talanted "mutant" (in lack of a better word, so far) can actually beat such drug users. I would actually have prefered to see the Russian RED-users come to Rio and get beaten (most of them would have). Banning them robs both the clean athletes and us the viewers of the enjoyment of seeing them get beat.
Yes you're most likely a troll because it isn't a gut feeling that she failed the drug tests. And doping is absolutely ruining Olympic sports so the IAAF making the correct call by suspending the Russians is the best thing PR or otherwise they could've done and unfortunate more sports didn't follow suit.
Remove the athletes who talk about it? Yea.... Instead of the athletes who actually do it
Olympics = corrupt wrote:
not the right place wrote:I'm all for calling out and punishing proven dopers, but the OG press conference is not the proper venue. //
There are a lot of ways to move in the right direction with regard to doping in more appropriate venues that allow you to truly present evidence and engage in discussion.
The Olympics is absolutely the very BEST venue for airing these grievances as all of the mainstream media is intently tuned in and people who don't usually care about sports like swimming are paying attention.
Lets be real; the only way that the doping and corruption issues are going to be addressed is if there is a huge outcry from the public, and the businesses who finance the Olympic Games privately demand that the IOC cleans up its act. The IOC doesn't care about some well-researched article, published in a niche paper somewhere that gets maybe 10,000 views. They will absolutely care if clean athletes come together and speak out against dopers while most of the World is watching.
I don't agree that it will evolve into "LR level baseless bashing", at least for the most part. The athletes at the Olympics are minor celebrities and not anonymous, unlike the average forum poster. They also generally have sponsors and accusing somebody of doping with zero evidence could very easily result in them being dropped. Calling out proven cheaters like Sun Yang, Efimova and Gatlin is not baseless and I hope that the fans in Rio continue to boo them at each and every opportunity.
Once again, the IOC has 100% asked for this to happen by not promoting clean and fair sport. They have no one to blame but themselves and, if they start kicking athletes out of the Games for speaking their minds, you can only imagine the international sh#t-storm that that would kick up in the mainstream media. It's not gonna' happen.
+1
I hope some big name T&F athletes speak their minds next week as now is the perfect time for their grievances to be picked up by the mainstream media.
asfs wrote:
Bad for the sport... wrote:I'm not a big fan of these publicity seekers. They put a bad light on their sport. Are they trying to build an excuse if they dont win?
The obsession over peds is really sickening and detracts from the enjoyment of watching sport.
drug apologist
you are against clean sport.
You are against reality. End your delusions.
Peter Andersson wrote:
Well, let's start by using correct terminology then. There's no such thing as performance enhancing drugs slash PEDs. As every adult knows training breaks down muscles. Recovery is where the the improvment takes place. Hence it should be called Recovery Enhancing Drugs slash REDs.
This is just incorrect.
Crazy crazy stuff here wrote:
These are clearly not normal Letsrun posters. This is the weirdest thread I have ever read here. Who are these poster? Where the hell did you come from? Convicted dopers do not deserve any kind of public relations protection regardless of men rea (and I did go to law school). Also, I don't understand why state of mind would even be considered. Makes no sense and does not protect the athletic competition. That is a letsrun staple. That includes American dopers.
I'm thinking the same thing.
Russian PR staff?