LRC Exclusive: The latest on USADA's investigation into Alberto Salazar's Nike Oregon Project

go to bed nike shill wrote:

Kara admitted she was given prescription medication that was not for her. The "mystery athlete" (we all know who it is...) admitted to manipulating a medical test to get a prescription he did not need. Salazar admitted to experimenting with androgel on his son. Smoke, fire.

^This.

Plus:

Rupp got "testosterone medication" and his testo levels increased.

Salazar sent drugs in carved out books across the border to his athletes.

Quite telling: USADA still investigates.

And coincidentally:

Mo training outside of the group in Kenya/Ethiopia/with Aden; several other group members (most notably Cam, Mary!) underperforming since the story broke.

After years and years of improvements of the group as a whole, who improved in the last two years?

I would like to know where the thyroid issue fits into all this. From that report it sounds like the USADA is looking into things totally unrelated to thyroid treatment (other than it is the same doctor).

Then again, it says the USADA became interested in Brown because so many athletes were going out of their way to see him. The Wall Street Journal article on Brown from several years ago said so many athletes were going to Brown specifically because of the thyroid treatment. Brown was diagnosing athletes for hypothyroidism where no other doctors would. I was assuming it was the thyroid treatment that originally had the USADA looking into Brown, even if something diverted them away from it.

I'm also curious about whether state medical association would get involved in this. Somebody mentioned that they probably don't care enough about things that are non life threatening or is not about a doctor outright lying about his credentials. Generally I agree with that. But the bottom line is that medical associations are looking after their collective image. If this gets enough media attention it could draw them into it.

Thyroid medication is a non-starter.

It is not a prohibited substance. It does not require a TUE. I seem to recall USADA or UKAD requesting WADA adding it to the prohibited substance list but that request was declined.

Just quibbling here wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:

I think, without looking it up, that he prescribed androgel to Alberto. Surely that is not against the rules, as he is not an active athlete.

Just to clarify, 2.6 of the WADA code says a coach or other support personnel can only have dope if he has "an acceptable justification." AlSal having an Androgel prescription for his own, medically recognized use, is an "acceptable justification." AlSal having an Androgel prescription so he could test it on his kids, is probably not an "acceptable justification."

PS Keep up the good work. I'm enjoying your posts, and your patience.

I am just thinking that if they can't ban Alberto for his androgel experiments, then they probably couldn't put Dr. Brown on any sort of prohibited list either.-

The amount of time, money, research, talking, writing etc that goes into this subject, compared to the actual awareness of how the human body actually, uses energy efficiently.

It's amazing, the complete obsession with the former, and the lack of interest in the latter?

Jon Orange wrote:

The amount of time, money, research, talking, writing etc that goes into this subject, compared to the actual awareness of how the human body actually, uses energy efficiently.

It's amazing, the complete obsession with the former, and the lack of interest in the latter?

Get out of this thread, troll.

Everyone else,, don't respond. Jon's only goal is to derail the conversation.

Sweet update on Salazar! He and his runners will be vindicated!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/sports/olympics/usada-doping-endocrinologist-investigation.html?_r=0

RunningOregon wrote:

Sweet update on Salazar! He and his runners will be vindicated!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/sports/olympics/usada-doping-endocrinologist-investigation.html?_r=0

As we all knew,this was always verbal vomit by a reporter who wanted desperately to create a headline with assumption and gossip. USADA has had plenty of time to gather so called evidence to build a case. Clearly none of it held water or nothing was done illegal to have a case. The last straw effort to dispose Dr.Brown was thrown out of court on a heartbeat.

Word is now there will a number of athletes and others being sued for character defamation etc. in which there is hard documented evidence. Stay tuned.

lol. Well, I guess the next question for Letsrun.com is, how did Nike get to Judge Gomez and compromise her? She not only denies the petition but apparently scolds the USADA lawyers. That said, it actually gives legs to what Epstein's allegations against NOP were all along. His basic story line was how you could do shady stuff under the cover of "legitimate" medical treatment. This legal proceeding makes Epstein's point. Apparently a doctor can issue some ridiculous prescription for an athlete that does nothing except serve as PED and they are protected. They have their doctor/patient privacy rights to protect them from the USADA. At the same time they apparently have no worries about state medical boards looking into their practice. The athlete just has to find a way to pass the drug tests and they are free and clear.

RunningOregon wrote:

Sweet update on Salazar! He and his runners will be vindicated!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/sports/olympics/usada-doping-endocrinologist-investigation.html?_r=0

The legal proceeding simply ruled this doesn't belong in the Texas courts, without making any judgements on the merits of "shady".It always look like to me, from the beginning, that the the whole BBC/Panorama/David Epstein/Marc Daly/Magness/Goucher documentary/accusations fell far short of supporting a claim in the jurisdiction of USADA.One year later, and it seems that USADA still cannot make the case yet that one single NOP athlete actually doped.It looked like you could make a claim for international drug trafficking, or playing doctor without a license, but USADA is not paid to enforce these real areas of law -- they should forward the evidence to the appropriate authorities, or initiate actions themselves, if they have standing.The testosterone experiment is certainly a valid cause for concern, but again, unless athletes were involved, outside USADA's remit.There was also lots of hype about the abuse of non-banned substances, not even requiring TUEs, like thyroid medication, and previously l-carnitine -- again, not USADA's concern until these substances are banned. Similarly, accusations of abuse of asthma medication requiring TUEs -- this is closer but again still allowed, and probably greatly exaggerated, as it looks like the TUEs were generally not abused, or largely used at all by NOP for any substances or method (IVs).I begin to wonder if these series of sensationalist, yet groundless, scoops are actually setting the anti-doping movement backwards, as organisations like USADA waste precious resources investigating false leads.

rekrunner wrote:

I begin to wonder if these series of sensationalist, yet groundless, scoops are actually setting the anti-doping movement backwards, as organisations like USADA waste precious resources investigating false leads.

Definitely a problem. The more resources USADA put into this sort of effort, without any result, the more disinclined they might be to do it next time round.

I guess USADA couldn't just ignore the allegations against Alberto, so had to do something.

The irony perhaps is that AS is probably stretching the boundaries of what is legitimate and what isn't in terms of priming his athletes, and yet there are almost certainly other coaches out there who are stepping way over that grey line but are not under investigation.

Please bear in mind - unless you are Travis Tygart - you do not know the cumulative substance of the statements or documentation collected by USADA. It is possible that USADA's investigation has run dry, but it is equally as possible that they are following up any number of other leads. We just happened to see one of those leads cut off in a public forum.

Just because it lost a single battle in a Texas court does not mean its entire investigation is a loss.

LMAO @ people who think synthetic thyroid will improve performance when taken by someone without a thyroid condition.

All it'll do is increase the amount of TSH in your body.

Enjoy that arrhythmia, hot flashes, muscle pain and insomnia.

ryan foreman wrote:

lol. Well, I guess the next question for Letsrun.com is, how did Nike get to Judge Gomez and compromise her?

Reading comprehension is not one of your skill, ryan. Typical of NOP fanboys.

The judge's name is: Michael Gomez. A her in your opinion.

rekrunner wrote:

One year later, and it seems that USADA still cannot make the case

If you were paying any attention to the news you would know the 2008 and 2012 Olympians were popped for doping this year. More than 100 at last count.

Rojo - serious question for you.

1) Are posts that are critical of the whistleblower group frequently deleted here?

2) Are any of the seven who gave permission for their files to be reviewed a mod on this website?

3) Do you personally believe NOP is cheating or has cheated?

[quote]Asking real questions wrote:

Rojo - serious question for you.

1) Are posts that are critical of the whistleblower group frequently deleted here?

-- The NOP fan boys make disparaging and lewd posts. You need to learn the difference between honest criticism, and devolving into personal attacks.

2) Are any of the seven who gave permission for their files to be reviewed a mod on this website?

-- No. The likelihood is zero.

3) Do you personally believe NOP is cheating or has cheated?

-- Do you personally believe NOP is NOT cheating or has NOT cheated? Think about the question you posed, and the reverse I posed, and think why the question is faulty.

Answer of questions wrote:

[quote]Asking real questions wrote:

Rojo - serious question for you.

1) Are posts that are critical of the whistleblower group frequently deleted here?

-- The NOP fan boys make disparaging and lewd posts. You need to learn the difference between honest criticism, and devolving into personal attacks.

2) Are any of the seven who gave permission for their files to be reviewed a mod on this website?

-- No. The likelihood is zero.

3) Do you personally believe NOP is cheating or has cheated?

-- Do you personally believe NOP is NOT cheating or has NOT cheated? Think about the question you posed, and the reverse I posed, and think why the question is faulty.

1) I understand they do. There are also people who ask real questions about the whistleblower group and those are never answered.

2) I think one of them is a mod. Only one, but one of those people is protected on here to an amazing level. Anything that isn't uber-favorable is immediately deleted.

3) I think NOP may have cheated. I'm not 100% convinced. I think they definitely live in the gray area; however, I also believe that the seven who released their records and several whistleblowers also went to Brown and reside in the same gray area. We demonize one group for it and applaud the other. I'm just not ready to do that.

2) I think one of them is a mod. Only one, but one of those people is protected on here to an amazing level. Anything that isn't uber-favorable is immediately deleted.

If they work for NOP they have a job with NOP. So no. No members of NOP are mods.