Get Slagowski in Prefontaine Mile

Slag has no kick and would lose that race. He has to go out even and hold on. I'll call you District of Trolls agent or agent troll of the losers district. Which one do you prefer?

Get him in there

Hs vs hs wrote:

Get him in there

Hunter has run all his best races (except for his 1:48 800) against pros. Slag has run basically solo time trials on shitty tracks and less than ideal conditions. If he isn't included in the Pre field it's a crime. Let the best run against the best, and let the best man win.

Exactly

myownprivateidaho wrote:

Hs vs hs wrote:

Get him in there

Hunter has run all his best races (except for his 1:48 800) against pros. Slag has run basically solo time trials on shitty tracks and less than ideal conditions. If he isn't included in the Pre field it's a crime. Let the best run against the best, and let the best man win.

My sentiments exactly.

I am more impressed by Slagowski's 3:59.5, with a 57 third lap, from the front, on a wet track, than I am by Hunter's 3:57.8i in a perfectly-paced, middle of the pack type of race.

Yeah I know that 3:57 indoors that broke Alan Webb's record was less impressive than a rabbited outdoor race in perfect conditions. Get grip fool, you realize that was like a 3:55 mile outdoors. Slag's rabbit also tripped another athlete in route.

The "rabbit" got to 600 before slowing down. Pretty marginal to even call him a rabbit. More like a charitable move by Slagowski to let his much slower teammate "help" in some way.

Lagged behind the workout wrote:

Yeah I know that 3:57 indoors that broke Alan Webb's record was less impressive than a rabbited outdoor race in perfect conditions. Get grip fool, you realize that was like a 3:55 mile outdoors. Slag's rabbit also tripped another athlete in route.

Clearly you have a bias against Slag. Why the animosity? I don't know Slagowski or Hunter; both are excellent runners with promising prospects. My analysis is driven simply by a love for track and field and interest in seeing talent develop.

Lagged behind the workout wrote:

Yeah I know that 3:57 indoors that broke Alan Webb's record was less impressive than a rabbited outdoor race in perfect conditions. Get grip fool, you realize that was like a 3:55 mile outdoors. Slag's rabbit also tripped another athlete in route.

dcagent wrote:

Clearly you have a bias against Slag. Why the animosity? I don't know Slagowski or Hunter; both are excellent runners with promising prospects. My analysis is driven simply by a love for track and field and interest in seeing talent develop.

Lagged behind the workout wrote:

Yeah I know that 3:57 indoors that broke Alan Webb's record was less impressive than a rabbited outdoor race in perfect conditions. Get grip fool, you realize that was like a 3:55 mile outdoors. Slag's rabbit also tripped another athlete in route.

Slag's race was run in rain

just a typical douche dont worry....im with you no biased on either one, but the douches are a dime a dozen here on LR, they pick their guys then crucify them later...ie alan webb and ryan hall

the thing is if slag was the one that was the media star and hunter was the one doing things in idaho, they would be on slags nuts and dissing on hunter...its pathetic and annoying

why people are not trying hard to get these two in the same race is beyond me, "but but but hunter deserves it more....blah blah blah"

this isnt about picking favorites you idiot trolls, its about racing head to head the best 2 high schoolers of 2016, why is this some sort of hang up? would you rather see merrit run against 45 hi guys till the olympics or have 4-5 races coming up to the olympics against van and james?? people hate 100m sprinters ducking each other, but when two sub 4 guys can duke it out in a fast race and they can compete against each other while both getting dragged to a super fast time you douche trolls HATE on the idea.

I think that all rational fans agree that Hunter and Slagowski need to go head-to-head at Pre. To do otherwise will leave a huge question mark on the season. At least with Hunter and Fisher last year we got three races, which were epic.

Is this the only chance the two would get to race each other? If so, that is a shame, but it isn't as if these two would never run against each other in college. As I recall, Hunter&Co invited Slagowski to Dogwood to run the 800 vs. he, McGorty, and Lomong, even before Slagowski broke 4, but Slagowski declined. Too bad, and that's not to fault Slagowski at all. These guys have their schedules set before the year begins, and if they happen not to line up against each other, it is what it is. I'm sure Hunter was in the Bowerman mile almost since the moment he broke 4, because of his ties to Alan Webb and Oregon. Slagowski was likely a late addition, and you can't reasonably argue a 3:59 runner should be in the Bowerman mile. Does Hunter deserve it either, as a 3:57i runner? Probably not, but there's the Webb precedent and as I said, he likely has been in this race longer than any of the other entries.

They both need to be in the international mile. Bowerman mile is gonna go out way over their heads.

Yes, you absolutely can. Many HS runners have competed in the Bowerman mile w/o having run faster than 3:59 (or even 4 flat). Like the other poster said, Slag's 3:59 was in the rain. He was alone most of the race.

but... wrote:

Slagowski was likely a late addition, and you can't reasonably argue a 3:59 runner should be in the Bowerman mile. Does Hunter deserve it either, as a 3:57i runner? Probably not, but there's the Webb precedent and as I said, he likely has been in this race longer than any of the other entries.

If that's the case, then I'll agree that I'm wrong. But who has competed in the Bowerman mile who hasn't broken 4 (or the 1500 equivalent) since the International Mile existed? I really think no one. Montoya was international, anyone else in the recent past was international. And Slagowski, barriers aside, is not significantly better than Bernie Montoya, who ran 4:01 as a junior with a 56 last 400.Look, I agree Slagowski has upside, and I sincerely hope and expect he'll run faster than anyone but Ryun, Webb, and Hunter by the end of this season. But he doesn't deserve to be in the Bowerman mile yet. Hunter might not either, but that ship has sailed.

duddoeeeee wrote:

Yes, you absolutely can. Many HS runners have competed in the Bowerman mile w/o having run faster than 3:59 (or even 4 flat).

Like the other poster said, Slag's 3:59 was in the rain. He was alone most of the race.

but... wrote:

Slagowski was likely a late addition, and you can't reasonably argue a 3:59 runner should be in the Bowerman mile. Does Hunter deserve it either, as a 3:57i runner? Probably not, but there's the Webb precedent and as I said, he likely has been in this race longer than any of the other entries.

Aren't you forgetting that Webb's PRs going into the Bowerman mile were 3:59.86 indoor and outdoor (later?) 1:47.74? Awfully close to the rather "untested" Slag who, one could argue, achieved his 800 and mile PRs under equally, or more, difficult conditions. I could care less if Slag ran the Bowerman. Would rather watch him win, or place in the top 3 of, the Int'l mile in 353-55, which he has a shot at doing. Look at the kid's progression since 2014 - incredible. 48.5 running start first open 400, 148 all alone, 359 mostly alone w/ bad pacing. Props to Montoya for his 401 w/ 56s closer, but that is definitely not as impressive as 57 3rd and 359. Different league.

but... wrote:

If that's the case, then I'll agree that I'm wrong. But who has competed in the Bowerman mile who hasn't broken 4 (or the 1500 equivalent) since the International Mile existed? I really think no one. Montoya was international, anyone else in the recent past was international. And Slagowski, barriers aside, is not significantly better than Bernie Montoya, who ran 4:01 as a junior with a 56 last 400.

duddoeeeee wrote:

Yes, you absolutely can. Many HS runners have competed in the Bowerman mile w/o having run faster than 3:59 (or even 4 flat).

Like the other poster said, Slag's 3:59 was in the rain. He was alone most of the race.

Not a question of Slagowski going under four. That's a given.

The question is will he get the AR JR (3:53). Anything is possible.

Putting in perspective if you had only shot to be immortalized this

would be the race and place.

Dont' cha think twice is alright!

Good luck!

Webb's credentials at this point were impeccable. He had broken 4 indoors, ran a sub 4 1600m leg of a relay at the slow Penn Relays track as a junior, I believe, ran an incredible triple of something like 2:04/1:52=4:06, 49, 1:47.74 or something like that, and he would have broken 4 as a junior if not for a injury. He was faster at 400m, 800m, 2M, and xc (FL South course record and 2nd to Ritz after running an insane workout and probably being tired for the race) than Slagowski and his sub 4 had come indoors, rather than outdoors. Webb was our greatest homegrown miler by time by a long shot and ran 1:43.8/3:46.91/13:10/27:34 in those few years where he was not injured. If he had been healthy at World's in 2007, he probably would have beaten Lagat for gold as well. But while not a good tactician, he was our greatest talent since Ryun. Slagowski looks like he will be a very, very good runner but to this point doesn't have Webb's credentials.

Wow, the kid is a little over a month into his breakout, and is coming up short compared to Webb. He might as well hang 'em up.

jjjjjj wrote:

Webb's credentials Slagowski looks like he will be a very, very good runner but to this point doesn't have Webb's credentials.