Yes but meat has had a huge influence on his physical development. False advertising.
But it's just a marketing scheme to get vegan nuthuggers like yourself to buy their sponsors products. Congrats you've been duped.
Yes but meat has had a huge influence on his physical development. False advertising.
But it's just a marketing scheme to get vegan nuthuggers like yourself to buy their sponsors products. Congrats you've been duped.
Try and watch more than one documentary before you decide to religiously crusade for someone else's idea
KBXC wrote:
What about the logistics of Veganism? Animal Products are more resource intensive and use more land when compared to many plant foods (even per calorie). Animal products are more water intensive and so much food that could help end WORLD HUNGER goes towards the billion of animals that are used merely for slaughter. ANIMAL PRODUCTS ARE NOT NECESSARY as we have proven, so WHY CONSUME THEM WHEN THEY HAVE A DELETERIOUS EFFECT ON THE ENIRONMENT AND HUMAN CONDITION? There is no way we can sustain this current lifestyle for long, especially with more and more countries getting Westernized and demanding more animal products just merely for pleasure.
Think about it
I was in the exact same situation several months ago. I'm a junior in HS, and going vegan was one of the best decisions I ever made. There are so many reasons to do so, but I'm sure you already know that. I, like you, was concerned about what it was going to do to my running. My coach basically told me that it wouldn't affect my running at all, but that I should take an iron supplement. With a balanced diet a vegan can get all the iron they need, but high schoolers like me rarely eat the best diets and an iron deficiency can ruin a season. Because of modern farming practices even livestock have to be fed B12 supplements, so taking one is really not a big deal. B12 and iron are the only supplements I take, and I've had no problems whatsoever. In fact, I improved way more this season than I was expecting to. I'm not saying that going vegan made me faster, but it certainly didn't ruin my season like a lot of people would expect it to. DO IT.
Lomc wrote:
you can buy humanely raised animal products. Eat in moderation.
No. Humanely raised meat is an oxymoron. There is no humane way to kill someone who doesn't want to die.
I went vegetarian in high school. Later I added seafood. Then poultry. At that point I felt ok with my diet. It gives me options. And I feel like I don't mindlessly scarf down burgers like when I was a teenager.
My diet doesn't have red meat, which I feel is pretty unhealthy. But I don't like the idea of antibiotics used for chickens. And I don't like the idea that baby male chickens are thrown into grinders. (search youtube for videos)
Consider eating oysters. From what I've read, they are good for the environment. And I don't think that they experience pain.
https://sentientist.org/2013/05/20/the-ethical-case-for-eating-oysters-and-mussels/
SWAZ wrote:
Lomc wrote:you can buy humanely raised animal products. Eat in moderation.
No. Humanely raised meat is an oxymoron. There is no humane way to kill someone who doesn't want to die.
Congratulations you base major life decisions off of the most recently watched documentary.
Not thinking wrote:
Yes but meat has had a huge influence on his physical development. False advertising.
But it's just a marketing scheme to get vegan nuthuggers like yourself to buy their sponsors products. Congrats you've been duped.
I'm not vegan and have never bought a product of theirs. Point isn't that these guys got big on a vegan diet. Point is they were able to maintain on a vegan diet.
This girl I assume has also been raised eating meat so her being able to maintain her muscle mass is certainly doable. As is adding a little to it.
I may be young, but I would never form such drastic opinions without looking into multiple sources and hearing multiple arguments.
However, it seems that all you are saying is that there are world problems and a change in lifestyle could significantly fix these problems, but you just don't care enough to take action yourself. Is that what you are saying, or do you have evidence that the present consumption of animal products is not more harmful than a diet without animal products?
I don't mean to come across as overzealous or aggressive. I just want to have healthy discussion and exchange ideas. Cheers!
Go back to my conversation with highschool coach 4857 or whatever
You are arguing that humanely raised meat (in reference to grass fed, free range, or organic animals?) is not harmful to the environment. I completely agree that it is superior to factory farming, but it is far from reasonable or sustainable. If every one wanted to eat that way, it would be impossible. There just simply isn't enough land or resources to supply the demand. Even if we tried to reduce our animal product consumption to moderate amounts as you recommend, the rest of the world is catching on to the Western lifestyle. The amount of animal that the world would be able to eat would be minuscule compared to the current demand. Only the elite would be able to consume larger amounts of animal products, while the rest of the world would essentially (not completely though) be vegan. I would not be opposed to a world like this as it would be far better off than what it is now, but what you see as ideal for the world is incredibly close to a completely vegan diet (and that's awesome!). Please correct me if I am wrong though (this is serious/not meant to be sarcastic)
SWAZ wrote:
Lomc wrote:you can buy humanely raised animal products. Eat in moderation.
No. Humanely raised meat is an oxymoron. There is no humane way to kill someone who doesn't want to die.
They are not aware that it is going to happen.
Certainly having discussions that lead to deeper thinking about food is so important. I like the term I've heard of post-veganism as a way to describe a person who went through the trial and error of figuring out their own food ethics.
The trouble is in seeking a solution. There is none. Some people will eat meat and some people won't. That's simply culture and preference. But recognizing the truth, first, is that yep, eating meat is murder. In fact eating a plant is also murder (love and take care of a plant for 10 years and then kill it for food and you see where I'm going). All life lives on life.
Well, now that we're all murders, what are you going to do with this information? Maybe you can find a more comfortable relationship with the things that die to give you life. Living is destruction, but through our living we can create renewed life.
I like to bring meaning to all the deaths that keep me alive by living my life the best I can.
If people stop eating meat what do you propose we do with all of the leftover chickens and cows etc.?
Do we turn them lose and let them live as free range pets and let them breed wildly?
Yes the ethics are a bit murkier (although plants are NOT sentient beings, so I don't think you can equate the murder of plants to the murder of animals in my opinion), but that is not what I am discussing. I am discussing the logistics of Veganism.
KBXC wrote:
Yes the ethics are a bit murkier (although plants are NOT sentient beings, so I don't think you can equate the murder of plants to the murder of animals in my opinion), but that is not what I am discussing. I am discussing the logistics of Veganism.
Plants recognize when they're in the presence of humans, it affects there growth.
I don't think the world could turn vegan overnight. That's dangerous and unrealistic. It would be a gradual progress of reducing animal production until the world would finally be vegan. That's how I would handle that situation.
Plants cannot truly feel pain. They do not have sensory organs the way animals do. Their responses to stimuli are extremely different to animals. If you are so gun ho about reducing plant "suffering", then stop eating a diet with animal products. It kills more plants than if we only ate plants even though we would consume more plants on a plant based diet. But I honestly don't care as much about the ethics as I do about the logistics, although the ethics are what bring many people into this lifestyle. Goodnight everyone! Let's keep up the discussion tomorrow!
The fattest, slowest animals on earth are strict vegetarians as one can see with elephants, pigs, hippoes , and cows. The leanest, fastest animals on earth are carnivores with cheetahs, leopards, tigers, etc. Which one would you rather be? If a farmer wants to fatten up his animals he feeds them grains and vegetables.
Sorry, I didn't completely address your point. You were talking about how they grew differently in response to stimuli. They don't consciously control these responses. Although I don't completely get what this point proves. Goodnight!
H.S. Coach #8562 wrote:
Lomc wrote:Because a violent death by predators in nature is more humane?
You're confusing the natural world with the civilized world. To be human is to be humane.
The natural world has a true balance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa5OBhXz-Q.
On the other hand, factory farming is not natural or humane. And, exploiting animals for food & clothing is not humane either.
I eat vegan at home and usually only depart when I get free pizza at school every week or three (I'm pinching pennies and it is hard to pass up the savings). do you think it is inhumane to wear wool?