Mo Farah's 800m ability

If anyone thinks Mo can't run faster than 1:46 for 800, they are completely ignorant and have no idea what they are talking about. Mo has run 800m races before and his PR came when he was just turning 20, running 1:48 mid, he was consistently running 3:44-3:45 for 1500m at that time. Do people seriously believe he has not improved 2 seconds in the 800 since when he has improved 16 seconds in the 1500m? I think a 1:44 high is very possible for No.

I also think he has 12:40/26:30 ability in a fast race with good rabbits, 59:22/3:28 suggests he has to have that ability. Get over letsrun, Mo is the best distance runner on the planet right now by a long way and is one of the all-time greats on the track. You are all just too dumb to see it.

jdj wrote:I don't know if your calculator is wrong or not, but I think the problem is mostly you. Farah demonstrated absolutely nothing to show that he is in 26:20 shape. You have nothing to base this on.

ignoring last year where in eugene the kenyans refused to offer mo any pacing despite his camp offering them a five figure $ amount to do so, his 10k pb goes back to an ancient 26'46 when just joined sal

that race had some turgid pace early on with some laps pushing 68+

if that had been fast from gun, mo wouda been looking at ~ 26'35

he has had 4y year to improve on that "debut" sal-camp efffort but never got the race

the jump from ~ 26'35 in '11 to 26'20/26'25 in '15 is a trivial improvement after 4y of hard uninterrupted, relative injury-free training

is that a joke ???

did you see his 3'28.9 ???

that race he practically ran in a vacuum from the gun far far behind Asbel, getting no drafting from him or Asbel's pacers

it was an effectively solo effort to bell drafting maloofi et al

if mo's camp had paid for 2nd set of pacers just for him he couda expected to the bell 2.75 laps of pacing at 0.7s/lap getting his 3'28.9 down to 3'27-flat !!!

mo was much more realistically a 3'27-flat guy last year & ran the bravest 1500 in decades probably all the way back to Keino in '68

eh ???

just like he didn't have the "raw speed" to run 3'28 ???

go see augustine choge's 800pb & he started of as a 5k guy !!!

for mo, 1'45-flat +/- coupla tenths for a range is very likely

Metric Miler wrote:Farah will never run 1:45.0, I was simply stating that could be his time given that everything was perfect, someone to chase and no wind etc

then how did gus choge run 1'44.8 ???

If Mo could have run 3:26.99 that day, then why didn't he just chase Asbel around the whole way? Kiprop ran 3:26.6 so that seems the perfect pace maker for Farah?

ventolin^3 wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:Farah will never run 1:45.0, I was simply stating that could be his time given that everything was perfect, someone to chase and no wind etc

then how did gus choge run 1'44.8 ???

Farah has far more endurance but less speed?

But let's not forget the "3:28" was run on Monaco, which is arguably faster than other tracks.

Agree, as far as I remember, he barely broke 13-second in 100m.

Metric Miler wrote:

If Mo could have run 3:26.99 that day, then why didn't he just chase Asbel around the whole way? Kiprop ran 3:26.6 so that seems the perfect pace maker for Farah?

Because you need a few races at a shorter distance to get in the correct race mode. If he ran a series of short races he'd get in gear a bit faster.

Short race rust. Try jumping in a 400 or 600 when you are strictly training for a longer race.

because Asbel ran off at gun at near-suicidal 53.9+ !!!

that was nearly 1s too fast than required & killed off his wr attempt from get-go

i don't know if Asbel stoopidly asked for such an opener or the pacers got carried away

either way it was a stoopid opener

even hicham in his incredible wr only went off in 54.3

Asbel also was bereft of pacing by little over 1000m when he was supposed to be drafted to 1100

in addition, the pacer was a runt offering Asbel much less surface area blockage for drafting than expected but you can't find 6'4/6'5 pacers unless wheating volunteers

if Asbel had set-off in 54-high, even pace to bell & a pacer ( just with the same runt ) capable taking him to it in 2'31-mid, he shouda been looking at

~ 3'25-mid/high

mo was never going to get close to Asbel if Asbel had got his perfect race but it wouda been close if Asbel had run exact same race & mo had run his perfect race with 2nd set of pacers exclusively for him

mo ran ~ 55-flat for 1st lap which was still to quick for him but he didn't commit suicide by trying to follow Asbel's 53.9+ & probably crumbling badly on last lap

if mo had been steadily paced/drafted in 55-lows to bell & solo last lap, i do see him having gone 3'27-flat

see above

near-suicidal 53.9+ opener for Asbel which killed off a wr shot & wouda 100% killed mo if he'd followed him

ventolin^3 wrote:

jdj wrote:I don't know if your calculator is wrong or not, but I think the problem is mostly you. Farah demonstrated absolutely nothing to show that he is in 26:20 shape. You have nothing to base this on.

ignoring last year where in eugene the kenyans refused to offer mo any pacing despite his camp offering them a five figure $ amount to do so, his 10k pb goes back to an ancient 26'46 when just joined sal

that race had some turgid pace early on with some laps pushing 68+

if that had been fast from gun, mo wouda been looking at ~ 26'35

he has had 4y year to improve on that "debut" sal-camp efffort but never got the race

the jump from ~ 26'35 in '11 to 26'20/26'25 in '15 is a trivial improvement after 4y of hard uninterrupted, relative injury-free training

Sure, but he still has not shown any indication of being in 26:20 shape. You are making that up. He ran 26:50 last year. The race that you think was worth 26:35 was FIVE years ago. Again, there is nothing to indicate that he is in 26:20 shape.

Calculus wrote:

Galen nor Mo could break 50 in 400.

Galen couldn't run under 1:49 in an 800.

Mo couldn't run under 1:47 in an 800.

You are spot on. Without EPO Mo wouldn't break 1:48 high.

jdj wrote:

Sure, but he still has not shown any indication of being in 26:20 shape. You are making that up. He ran 26:50 last year. The race that you think was worth 26:35 was FIVE years ago. Again, there is nothing to indicate that he is in 26:20 shape.

It's a fantasy world...he picks times somebody has never run and then uses those times to project times that he is never going to run, then calls anybody who disagrees with him an idiot.

ventolin^3 wrote:

is that a joke ???

that 5k in '04 was just about the slowest ever i can recall in years & came down to basically 400 speed which wouda been hicham at maybe 47+ v mo at 49+

at that slow-ass level of course hicham wouda won

however, if they had been travelling at 13'00 flat speed to the bell, it wouda been whole different ballgame with mo's kick becoming much more powerful as the faster pace woudn't have hurt it as much

You need to get sobered up next time you get on the ole lazy boy and pleasure yourself with the ole satellite. The 2004 Olympic 5000m final was won by Hicham in 13:14. How is that slow? The 2015 WC 5000m final was won by Farah in 13:50. ElG would have defeated Farah because Farah could not and would not run away from ElG and Farah could not outkick ElG.

clueless

he was not whupping 27-flat chumps in brutal heat/humidity of peking

the 2 chump kenyans made a semi-effort to pace for Kamwo but not committed

no

26'20 / 26'25 was his likely shape if a 1-off in 72F/ 0 wind day in zurich/brussels/eugene paced to 5k in 13'10+ & solo last 5k

in poor race where kenyans despite offer of 5-figure $s to pace him to 5k in 13'10 refused & instead ended up running what resulted with a pathetic semi-time trial/semi-race with mo winning in 26'50

clueless

he was a bare pup back then

sal had barely sprinkled any magic on him & got him already down to ~ 26'35 shape

you don't think 4y later sal's magic hadn't knocked off 10 - 15s off his 10k ???

clueless

there were ethiopians in peking

i don't care how poor their 10k squad was in terms of experience, it is impossible that at least 2 of the 3 ethiopians weren't intrinsic 26'50+ guys at worst in peking in 70F/0 wind/paced to 5k/etc

the 3 of them got blown away !!!

for 2 or even 3 at-worst-26'50+ guys to get blown away by mo + 3 kenyans means those 4 were hugely better than 26'50+ shape

Mr. Obvious wrote:It's a fantasy world...he picks times somebody has never run and then uses those times to project times that he is never going to run, then calls anybody who disagrees with him an idiot

laughable

i called mo 3'28 before monaco-'13 using calculator when he had 3'33.9pb coming in !!!

it shows you have no clue about the sport then or now

can you not think ?

do you think mo is only worth his current pb of 1'48+ ???

geeneeius wrote:You need to get sobered up next time you get on the ole lazy boy and pleasure yourself with the ole satellite

clueless

you shoud be banned

The 2004 Olympic 5000m final was won by Hicham in 13:14

crap slow

i didn't bother to note times other than crap slow

i actually watched that race in the stadium as well as the 1500

i went to athens to watch just 1 race :

the supposed epic 200 between kenteris v shawn

but robbed off that by kenteris's ban & saw rubbish 1500s & 5ks

How is that slow?

it is

The 2015 WC 5000m final was won by Farah in 13:50. ElG would have defeated Farah because Farah could not and would not run away from ElG and Farah could not outkick ElG

not at 13'50 level

if mo had known he was facing a current 3'27 guy he wouda settled for last lap kick & lost & excused-up that he lost to a 3'27 guy

mo woudn't have tried to run away from him but he has never been asked to...

ventolin^3

he was not whupping 27-flat chumps in brutal heat/humidity of peking

....

i don't care how poor their 10k squad was in terms of experience, it is impossible that at least 2 of the 3 ethiopians weren't intrinsic 26'50+ guys at worst in peking in 70F/0 wind/paced to 5k/etc

Yes he was whuping 27:00 guys. And a couple of 26:45 guys. There was no brutal heat or humidity. You just called 72 degrees ideal. During the race it was 79 with a breeze. You're contradicting yourself.

Why is it impossible that the Ethiopians were slower than 26:50? Did they even make it to halfway?? It's entirely possible that there are no sub 27 Ethiopians right now. At least not consistent ones. We see the same thing in the 5000. Sometimes they show up in 12:45 shape, sometimes they show up in 13:20 shape. So there's definitely no way you can know they were 26:50 guys.

clueless

nearly as clueless

clueless

peking is one of most polluted cities on planet

worst air-quality...

because they damn near win virtually all 10ks

the river did not dry up

peking had brutal conditions & the ~ 26'50 at-worst ethiopians died

clueless

conditions finished them

no ethiopian in top-5 ???

i have to bring out the "M" word

only a "Moro." coud state that

clueless

to think ethiopians had no < 27 last year is absurd

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