wejo wrote:
3. If she won't change the workouts ask her if she is fine with you not running them all out.
I see no good purpose for asking her that.
wejo wrote:
3. If she won't change the workouts ask her if she is fine with you not running them all out.
I see no good purpose for asking her that.
Coach wasn't great either wrote:
Working out alone sucks and there is no accountability. Will you be able to motivate yourself to follow through on this on your own?
Right, I think I have the motivation to do it alone.
J.R. wrote:
wejo wrote:3. If she won't change the workouts ask her if she is fine with you not running them all out.
I see no good purpose for asking her that.
Right, She would probably just get pissy.
Unattached? wrote:
J.R. wrote:I see no good purpose for asking her that.
Right, She would probably just get pissy.
My kid is in this same situation. Don't ask to go slow, just run relaxed for most of the workouts. Only run hard once or twice weekly. A HR monitor is a good way to make sure you are succeeding. Most coaches that are bad enough to make these workouts won't necessarily notice your apparent speed variations in practices, or will attribute it to you having "good days" and "bad days". And then run extra miles before school, after practice, on weekends, etc.
The benefit that I see to talking to her about it instead of just going for it would be that we I could see if she would be willing to let me change the workouts
Unattached? wrote:
The benefit that I see to talking to her about it instead of just going for it would be that we I could see if she would be willing to let me change the workouts
Then she would focus on you, give you grief the whole time, and no, she won't let you change the workouts.
Much better is to simply do your own thing, within and around the framework of the program, and keep as inconspicuous about it as possible.
Yeah. That's an idiot coach.
While the workouts could certainly use some improvement, you sound like a know-it-all kid who has a very over-inflated view of your talent level. The kids that run in the 15's for 5K in high school don't just magically get there. They are mid-to-high 16's as soph, low16:'s, 16: flat as a jr., and run in the 15's as a senior. Running 17:40 and 10:30 as a sophomore are average, no more, even with a poor coach. If your CC coach is so good, why are you only running 17:40 for 5K? Enjoy the team, and ask if you can talk to her about the training. If you do it correctly, she'll probably adjust or at least explain the rationale.
By the way, you don't stand a chance of being one of the better runners at Dartmouth or Cornell (4th and 5th in the northeast regional, where the top 2 teams were 1st and 5th in the NCAA's). Get a more realistic sense of where you're at and just try to get better while enjoying the high school team experience.
Are you good enough to run in college? If so, you'll have to suck it up.
Do your own runs before (morning?). Run her workouts slower than prescribed. 4x800 @ 10k pace. 5x600 @ 5k pace, 8x400 @ mile pace.
Unattached? wrote:
basically, they'd make the recovery periods up on the spot, generally they were around 1:1. Times, I'm not sure about- but slow.
Holy hell...you must be battered. I'm trying to picture just the 8 x 400m all out with 1:1 recovery ratio. An all out 400m has got to take 10-15mins to recover from.
Maybe you guys simply adapt and don't take the instructions too literally.
Crazy...I'd run unattached.
Get a clue! wrote:
While the workouts could certainly use some improvement, you sound like a know-it-all kid who has a very over-inflated view of your talent level. The kids that run in the 15's for 5K in high school don't just magically get there. They are mid-to-high 16's as soph, low16:'s, 16: flat as a jr., and run in the 15's as a senior. Running 17:40 and 10:30 as a sophomore are average, no more, even with a poor coach. If your CC coach is so good, why are you only running 17:40 for 5K? Enjoy the team, and ask if you can talk to her about the training. If you do it correctly, she'll probably adjust or at least explain the rationale.
By the way, you don't stand a chance of being one of the better runners at Dartmouth or Cornell (4th and 5th in the northeast regional, where the top 2 teams were 1st and 5th in the NCAA's). Get a more realistic sense of where you're at and just try to get better while enjoying the high school team experience.
Yep. You can improve, but college talk is way premature. also, we're only talking about, what, 8-10 weeks of this?
On another note, I see people throwing around the word "unattached." I guess it makes not joining the team sound cooler than it really is. Maton did it, not for training reasons, and because he was good enough to get invites to college and open meets. A kid running 10:30, no offense, is going to be running in fun runs and all-comers meets not true track meets. Unless you have a club system nearby your best bet is to run with the team.
400er wrote:
Get a clue! wrote:While the workouts could certainly use some improvement, you sound like a know-it-all kid who has a very over-inflated view of your talent level. The kids that run in the 15's for 5K in high school don't just magically get there. They are mid-to-high 16's as soph, low16:'s, 16: flat as a jr., and run in the 15's as a senior. Running 17:40 and 10:30 as a sophomore are average, no more, even with a poor coach. If your CC coach is so good, why are you only running 17:40 for 5K? Enjoy the team, and ask if you can talk to her about the training. If you do it correctly, she'll probably adjust or at least explain the rationale.
By the way, you don't stand a chance of being one of the better runners at Dartmouth or Cornell (4th and 5th in the northeast regional, where the top 2 teams were 1st and 5th in the NCAA's). Get a more realistic sense of where you're at and just try to get better while enjoying the high school team experience.
Yep. You can improve, but college talk is way premature. also, we're only talking about, what, 8-10 weeks of this?
On another note, I see people throwing around the word "unattached." I guess it makes not joining the team sound cooler than it really is. Maton did it, not for training reasons, and because he was good enough to get invites to college and open meets. A kid running 10:30, no offense, is going to be running in fun runs and all-comers meets not true track meets. Unless you have a club system nearby your best bet is to run with the team.
No doubt, I know I'm not going to go to any big meets- that's what's tough about running unattached- if I was as good as Maton it wouldn't even be a question. College is obviously a premature thought, if I can run in college that's my goal, not any university, the cards will fall as they may and if I improve enough to go to a good university great, if not, that'll play out later. I'm well aware that high 17's for the 5k is not good. I still think that it would be better to run on my own, even if I'm not getting invited to meets like Maton was. There are clubs around where I live, so I have some races I could enter in, obviously this isn't ideal, but it is a possibility.
I guess the point of this thread wasn't to say if I'm good or not- I'm pretty average now, but just to see if there was any value in staying with the team, which there doesn't seem to be.
Unattached? wrote:
I guess the point of this thread wasn't to say if I'm good or not- I'm pretty average now, but just to see if there was any value in staying with the team, which there doesn't seem to be.
I'm 100 percent for being an individual, but think you could adapt to the program, and don't get why you think running unattached would be better.
Perhaps it will help to go through the thread, write a list of pros & cons and study it for awhile before making a decision.
Are you from Alabama?
Masters Fattie wrote:
Can you tell the coach you have a conflict 2 days per week and can only attend practice on certain days? Use those days to train on your own with some longer, easier runs.
I'd go with this one.
It surprises me that HS runners are training so much with a coach every day in America rather than a few times per week?
HS Coach 76111233 wrote:
Unattached? wrote:Ok, so I ran track last year and the year before (I am a sophomore in high school) and I wanted to see if you think that our training was dumb because I want to see if I should continue on their training program or to run unattached.
This was basically what we would do every week.
Sunday- off
Monday- 4 x 800 meters at 2 mile pace
Tuesday- 5 x 600 meters at mile race pace
Wednesday- 400, 600, 800, 600, 400 at mile pace
Thursday- 8 x 400 meters all out
Friday- 8 x 200 meters all out
Saturday- race
We did warm up for this- about 640 meters- super easy, maybe 10 min pace.
I have tried to talk to her, but she says you have to run fast to get fast, so we should never do easy runs
I'm pretty sure you are one of my athletes. This is my workout and you have to run fast to get fast. I never said anything about "no easy runs" and this is not "what we would do every week." This is what we are doing one week. I'm not going to explain myself or how I came to my conclusions. If you don't like my program, you don't have to be a part of it.
Is this for real or are you a troll? Regardless of whether this was just one week of a typical week, this is a terrible training program written as is under any circumstances that is clearly putting the athletes at risk to get hurt. If this is really this guy's coach posting here, please go to a coaching clinic or buy a book on distance training theory or even read a runner's world article for that matter. If you added recovery days between these workouts this plan could be okay, but as is this is WAY too many hard days in a row with no recovery.
Is this a troll? Am I being trolled right now? How long has this guy been coaching? My dentist could write a better program than that. If this is even a real thing, I would stay though. Because you know what they say - running is a team sport. You gotta be there to support your teammates, because that's like your family bro.
I'm pretty sure this guy is one of my teammates but my coach is a guy.
Unattached? wrote:
Ok, so I ran track last year and the year before (I am a sophomore in high school) and I wanted to see if you think that our training was dumb because I want to see if I should continue on their training program or to run unattached.
This was basically what we would do every week.
Sunday- off
Monday- 4 x 800 meters at 2 mile pace
Tuesday- 5 x 600 meters at mile race pace
Wednesday- 400, 600, 800, 600, 400 at mile pace
Thursday- 8 x 400 meters all out
Friday- 8 x 200 meters all out
Saturday- race
We did warm up for this- about 640 meters- super easy, maybe 10 min pace.
I have tried to talk to her, but she says you have to run fast to get fast, so we should never do easy runs
Is that the prescribed paces? What is the rest?
I would routine do this in HS:
(L)1 long run 12-14mi
(S)2 x workout 800s (6 or 8) @ 5k pace with 3:00 rest and 6:00 rest after 2.
(P)1 x workout 200s-1200s mile-2mi pace. 2-3mi worth. Standing rest to 110 HR.
(R)1 x race.
(E) 2 x easy run
Ran pretty well.
Alan
If you are not trolling then yeah, that's a terrible plan and bad training. However YOU are in charge of YOU. Just turn some of those days into easy days. Don't go all out. If he/she asks why you aren't hitting it tell him that you have stomach issues or you "just don't have it today."
Put in some distance on your own time.