In this thread, runners define their "400 PR" as that one time when they weren't training specifically for the 400 but timed an all-out lap in practice.
In this thread, runners define their "400 PR" as that one time when they weren't training specifically for the 400 but timed an all-out lap in practice.
If you can't run 55 for 400m, it's not going to happen. It probably won't even happen then but 55 is the theoretical value. Among the high schoolers I've known, all were 52 low guys or better before they could break 2:00.
ha...? wrote:Are you crazy?
clueless
learn to think
Anyone with good wheels can pull out a 12 100m with minimal training, but no one can drop down a 30-low 10k without a decent amount of training.
here is "thinking"
the talent level that achieved 12.12pb is same talent level as 30'04pb
there are 50 times the number of guys running 100 as 10k which skews perceptions of equivalence, but
12.1 = 30-flat
ventolin^3 wrote:
there are 50 times the number of guys running 100 as 10k
Citation?
ventolin^3 wrote:
atehundred wrote:This would depend a lot on the runner and if they are more of a sprinter or distance guy, and obviously the technical answer is 59.5, but it is pretty unlikely to run even splits off of a 59.5 second PR. So what time would you say one needs to be able to run a 400 in to feasibly break 2:00? Do you think it is as low as 55 or 56, or would a 58 second 400 be good enough for a young high school runner to work off of in order to get under 2:00?theoretically, from some "mathematical" tables :
12.12 = 24.25 = 53.00 = 2'00.00 = 2'34.02 = 4'02.00 = 8'29.61 = 14'34.25 = 30'05.07
looking at that, a 2-flat woud usually expect a bit slower than 53.00 speed assuming 800 is best distance
i'd say ~ 55 is slowest a high-schooler coud run 2-flat off
( note : before i gets lots of drivel for
"2'00 is no way as good as ~ 30-flat"
please consider talent pool & participation levels
even at elite women level, i'd say x5 - x10 more women enter the 800 compared to 10k
the elite western participation for 10k is utterly pathetic
ingrid ran 30'13 all of 29y ago !!! & only paula has run quicker
utterly pathetic
if we'd seen some serious participation in this event, the elite western clockings shouda been in the 29'40/29'50 from 1/2 dozen+ gals in that near 30y & dozen+ at 29'50/30'00
those equivalencies are for "mathematical" equivalencies meaning all same talent in 10k as in 800 )
What about the ops question?
RE: Minimum 400 PR Required To Break 2:00 in the 800?
jamin wrote:
ventolin^3 wrote:there are 50 times the number of guys running 100 as 10k
Citation?
eh ???
that's a damn fuucking horse !!!
ukathleticscoach wrote:What about the ops question?
i answered it
RE: Minimum 400 PR Required To Break 2:00 in the 800?
learn to read
i'd say ~ 55 is slowest a high-schooler coud run 2-flat off
j watson wrote:
If you can't run 55 for 400m, it's not going to happen. It probably won't even happen then but 55 is the theoretical value. Among the high schoolers I've known, all were 52 low guys or better before they could break 2:00.
Agree. At the high school level this is precisely what I have observed.
ventolin ruins every thread he posts on *sigh*
I really doubt it.
I know someone who ran the 3k equivalent of a 14:45-ish 5k but couldn't break 56. But he closed multiple races in sub 60 so I think the 56 must have been the final rep of a workout.