I think the Kenyans purposely sat on Mo at Pre to play with his mind and not slow their cards. They appeared to be quite comfortable, and didn't even kick hard at the end.
Kamworor has the opposite style of running to Farah, very quick and powerful, the same for Karoki and somewhere in between for Tanui. They can run hard all the way as they did at WCCC and even moreso on the track. I'm very excited to see the race at Bejing.
Hi namesake J.R.!
Why have you password protected the name I was using before?
Yep , sit n kick all the way to heaven , baby
Another day another win 4 Mo
I apologize that I was copying your nickname.
.me toO
yyy wrote:
MF has 3:28 speed and jogged a 26:50 10000m earlier this year.
If you think that was a jog for Mo then you're a boob.
Steve on a cell in Brooklyn wrote:
yyy wrote:MF has 3:28 speed and jogged a 26:50 10000m earlier this year.
If you think that was a jog for Mo then you're a boob.
Farah was visibly upset afterward that the others just followed him.
More than any other factor, I think the Kenyans were jet-lagged in Eugene. Whereas Mo took a couple hours' drive, they flew 1/3 of the way around the world. Also, Mo wanted to run very, very fast that day; maybe get a Hayward record. The Kenyans didn't have that motivation.
Jet lag and motivation will be more equal/minimized in Beijing.
But you know what won't be equal in Beijing? Their final lap kicks! Always a Mo advantage.
But, on the other hand, the pace might not be smooth. If the Kenyans really jack the pace up and then slam it down, perhaps they can fartlek the rhythm out of Mo's kick.
Whoa, so someone grabbed the handle of the most irritatingly idyotic drug-denying morron on the boards, and locked it in? This is TOO sweet!
Happy Day wrote:
Whoa, so someone grabbed the handle of the most irritatingly idyotic drug-denying morron on the boards, and locked it in? This is TOO sweet!
rojo wrote:Does anyone know the World Record or Kenyan all-comers record for 10,000? This had to be it. So what was it before tonight.
Geoffrey Kipsang Kamworor 27:11:89
Bedan Karoki 27:15:33
Paul Tanui 27:18:45
Vincent Yator 27:33:45
The Nairobi all-time list before today :
27:26.93A Wilson Kiprop KEN 14.04.87 1 Nairobi 26.06.2010
27:27.59A Geoffrey Mutai KEN 07.10.81 2 Nairobi 26.06.2010
27:28.13A Mathew Kisorio KEN 16.05.89 3 Nairobi 26.06.2010
27:29.13A Titus Mbishei KEN 28.10.90 4 Nairobi 26.06.2010
27:31.61A Bedan Karoki KEN 21.08.90 1 Nairobi 13.07.2013
Some interesting points
- The top 4 times were at the '10 Kenya trials for upcoming African championships which was a slightly slower race again in Nairobi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_African_Championships_in_AthleticsThe top 4 finishers in trials were obviously in top shape
- Karoki won '13 trials in 27'31.6 & came 6th in WC in Moscow.
Tanui came 2nd in trials in 27'32.76 & won bronze in Moscow. He's now got Nairobi time down to 27'18
- Canova who coached Kiprop reckoned he was in 26'40 shape at sea-level
so you have prelim : 27'26A = 26'40 at sea-level, -> for Geoffrey at 27'11A of ~ 26'25
A possibly better conversion is to combine NCAA altitude App with Wind-Altitude Calculator ( as NCAA App intuitively doesn't seem to include this ) :
27'11.89 run at 5,450' ( 1,661m )
Nearest 2 venue on App are Golden, Co, which is at 5,675' & Denver at 5,276'.
The average of 2 is 5,475.5' which is virtually same as Nairobi
( ignore 25' higher for average as the lack of pacers in Nairobi will swallow that up )
At Golden : 27'11.89 = 26'08.75
At Denver : 27'11.89 = 26'15.58
The average is : 26'12.17
Now, slow Nairobi times down by Wind-Altitude calculator, because they have less air-resistance to run against :
http://myweb.lmu.edu/jmureika/track/wind/27'11.89 = 16.3189s for 100m
Input that with Nairobi altitude of 1,661m & 0 wind for "basic" time -> 16.404s
Therefore, adjust 26'12.17 by ( 16.404 / 16.3189 ) ->
26'20.37 !!!
Make of it what you will...
I want to see someone go for it in a 10000. I think it will happen this time and we could be down to a 4 o 5 guys with a few k to go. Karoki, Masai and Tanui have not been able to break away from WC / Oc fields but they may be able to do it with Kamworor.
El Keniano wrote:Ferguson Rotich beats David Rudisha. Billy Konchellah says Rudisha told him he's still over a a kilo overweight.
if that's true, then he has ~ 0.5s to come off his current 800 alone when at race-weight
( probably more as he will have better fitness as well by championships )
if ideal weight is say 71kg & he's 1kg over :
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/international-athletes/9427396/David-Rudisha.htmlfor argument's sake, call his current shape in perfect race 1'43.0
his projected time at ideal weight is ~
1'43.0 * ( 71 / 72 )^(1/3) = 1'42.52
he will still need to find at least 0.5s more from improved fitness to contend for medals
he certainly can't run away from the expected field if even in 1'42-flat shape
there is also small possibility that Asbel might be included in 800 squad if the selectors believe the 3rd placer in 800 behind ferguson/Rudy is a "weak" guy
who was 3rd in the 800 ?
ventolin^3 wrote:there is also small possibility that Asbel might be included in 800 squad if the selectors believe the 3rd placer in 800 behind ferguson/Rudy is a "weak" guy
who was 3rd in the 800 ?
alfred kipketer 3rd in 1'44.07
Asbel won't be given place in 800 squad with that time from young alfred who may eventually become "the great"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Kipketerstill 18y !!!
seb wrote:OR all three could go on a suicidal mission at breakneck pace and see what happens. Possibly the ethiopian and kenyan teams could run as a six man pack at 26:35 pace and try to drop farah. Im predicting edris would win if that were successful.
he won hengelo, their trials in 27'17pb
i'm sure he's worth lot quicker than that if paced, but how do you see him winning a race which you say coud be 26'35 pace for a long long way ?!
Farah Assessment wrote:It would take 26:2x fitness to outmuscle Farah, and this guy hasn't shown us that
simple logic dictates that for even an altitude born guy, there has to be an altitude clocking that equates to a 26'20 at sea-level
if you don't think it is 27'11A, then suggest a number...
fwiw
tergat's 2 best nairobi times were 28'04 in '95 & 28'19 in '96 when he lost sprint to geb in atlanta
Those dudes just aren't that smart.
J.R. wrote:
I think the Kenyans purposely sat on Mo at Pre to play with his mind and not slow their cards. They appeared to be quite comfortable, and didn't even kick hard at the end.
Kamworor has the opposite style of running to Farah, very quick and powerful, the same for Karoki and somewhere in between for Tanui. They can run hard all the way as they did at WCCC and even moreso on the track. I'm very excited to see the race at Bejing.
rojo wrote:
I think the LetsRUn nation should crowdsource $25,000. If the clock is under 13:20 at 5000 in Beijing in the middle of the 10,000 we pay it out to whoever did the leading. If the other two Kenyans want to split it, so be it.
. I was going to say 13:15 but i'm assuming the weather will be awful there.
13:20 might be too fast for the conditions. I'll let some scientifst figure out what the equivalent of 26:30 pace woudl be.
Rojo, are you out of your mind?
Look, I'd like to see a faster race, but I am strongly against interfering with a World Championships. The beauty of Worlds is that you throw everyone out there and they RACE. I don't want any outside factors influencing what happens on the track.
Yes, thank you.
I'm not sure why it's so had for Rojo to understand this. It's the World Championships, not an auction.
Rojo--do you ever stop to think before you post on this board, or is your baseline assumption just that everything you write is gold?