Makloufi medals: What a travesty to our sport.
Centro medals: Hey, if we can't enjoy good performances, why follow the sport?
Makloufi medals: What a travesty to our sport.
Centro medals: Hey, if we can't enjoy good performances, why follow the sport?
[quote]Ca$hclay wrote:
Nothing personal JAKIR. Do you think he lied about being "injured" after the 800 qualifier DQ in London? If you answer yes, then you admit he is a liar at least. Not necessarily a doper, but a liar. If you answer no, then you have zero credibility because we all know he was lying. Tough spot for you.
Please keep the comedic posts coming nonetheless.[quote]
Rupp needed a mask a few years back just to finish a race. Now he is miraculously cured of allergies. buahahahhahaha!
dsrunner wrote:
the 1000m record s one of the strongest records.
log of the WR performance curve from 800 to 1500 is about 1.13, that is
206 = 100.91 x (15/8)^x
206/100.91 = 1.875^x
ln 2.04 = x ln 1.875
x = ln2.04/ln1.875 = 1.134
At higher distances it drops gradually to under 1.1, e.g. for 1500 to 3000
2^x = 440/206
x = ln 2.14/ln 2 = 1.097
from 400 to 800 it's pretty high
x = ln(100.91/43.18)/ln2 = 1.22
but from 600 to 800 it's
x = ln(100.91/72.81)/ln1.333 = 1.135
same as 800 to 1500. This is easily explained by the onset of acidosis after 40 seconds of all out running. I don't think many would argue that the 600 WB is soft, as it's frequently targeted and missed by wide margins. So I think the 1000m equivalent to today's WR's is
100.91 x 1.25^ 1.135 = 129.99
that is, Komen's WB is soft by over a second.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Komen's WB is soft by over a second.
Wrong EPO Wonderboy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_NgenyThis 2:13 was the best-paced fast 1000 I've ever seen. I wonder what Coe could have done had he run the first 600 trailing Taoufik Makhloufi.
lol lol lol lol wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:Komen's WB is soft by over a second.
Wrong EPO Wonderboy.
big deal. The math is correct.
The curve runs on a steady 1.135 exponent all the way from 600 to 1500, except at 1000. 2:11 is the odd man out. Should be just under 2:10.
Makhloufi's 1000 is worth
133.08 x (1500/1000)^1.135 = 210.85
3:30.8
133.08 x (800/1000)^1.135 = 103.3
1:43.3
Exactly as fast as he's already been for several years now. All this 3:27 talk is bullshit. He's in his own PR shape, nothing more. Pretty good, but not amazing.
Holy crap. He weighs 172 pounds?!
Deanouk wrote:Looked like a planned attempt
in no name field unlike wild rieti-'99
maloofi started in outer lane-2 but was in inner lane-1 by 5s !!!
Noah never managed that in whole of damn bend !!!
From the 400m split and finish time, looks like the onscreen clock was about 0.2 sec slow, so I've added 0.2 to each split time to get a more accurate idea of his splits
no
clock looked ~ 0.3s fast
His 200 splits looked to be, c. 26.8, 26.0, (52.8), 27.2, (1:19.0), 27.3 (1:46.3), 26.7
nonsense
his splits accounting for 0.3s clock error were
~ 26.9 / 25.6 ( 52.5 ) / 26.6 ( 1'19.1 ) / 27.9 ( 1'47.0 ) / 26.0 ( 2'13.0 )
he has already made an incredible move by quickening up the splits rather than virtually always slowing
this means we have to take huge amount off his 2'13.0 as it wasn't slowing but quickened after 200
then : 1'19.1 corrected & 26.6 !
your 600 - 800 split is nonsense ; it is ~ 27.9
So pretty even splits
nonsense
his 200 - 400 split was quicker than initial 200 which is unheard of !!!
his 400 - 600 split was still faster than initial 200 !!!
how inept are you to claim this is
"usual" ???
as for 600 - 800 :
his corrected split, from immediate view of head shot is is ~ 1'47.0 corrected, meaning
~ 27.9
his last 200 is
~ 26.0 !!!
it is clueless to claim his splits were "pretty even"
"pretty even" is NOT the way to run an ideal 1k
it has to be run with gradually slowing 200 splits much like an 800 but with smaller differences
The first 400m wasn't too fast (2:12.0 pace)
nonsense
your splits all wrong & he slowed up & then speeded up !!!
he had total drafting up until about 740m & didn't run wide
little help
the kenyan scuppered his wr shot as was so damn slow between 600 - 800 with rubbish 27.9 !!!
maloofi shouda just gone at 600m but he presumed this kenyan was of some quality
he wasn't, the kenyan was rubbish & just slowed him down drastically
he had huge uneven slowing/quickening/slowing/quickening splits
~ 26.9 / 25.6 / 26.6 / 27.9 / 26.0
= 2'13.0
Looked strong in the last 100m (c. 13.4)
off course he did !
the pace to 800 was rubbish & he had huge unexpended energy
he was meant to be slowing down by huge amount, but actually quicker last 200 than previous !!!
The 800m split is likely to be the least accurate however, due to a time keeper/coach, moving right in front of the camera as Makhloufi approached that point
no
it is because you do not observe
you can use turn of head as gauge as reaching 200 point
I used other markers just past this point and compared to time he took between same points on first lap. So 800m could be between 1:46.1 and 1:46.5
clueless
i got ~ 1'47.0 corrected from observation
you are inept
comparing markers on other laps is ridiculous as huge error as your nonsense 0.4s shows
Someone will doubtless now tell us that it was too hot, too windy, too noisy and he had to travel too far to get there
nonsense
for whoever states it without evidence
and that really it's worth 2:11.5!!
i reckon
~ 2'11.5 - 2'12.0
suffice to say :
any guy who runs ridiculous slow/quick/slow/slow/quick splits is going to be hugely faster off just slowing splits from gun of expected
~ 0.33s/200 slowing splits from gun as 1k is nothing more than modified 800
My gosh,
the clock shows the lap time, when the time is shown as 1:46.4. Correct it for a 0.3 error (if accepted as that), then you clearly have 1:46.1.
How do you get 1:47? It makes no sense at all. Actually, if we had official splits then 1:45.9 wouldn't surprise me. You appear to be WRONG.
Btw, for the smart people who know french: What somebody shouts as a split is handtimed (1) and doesn't have to be an exact 800m split anyway (2).
52.43 wrote:
My gosh,
the clock shows the lap time, when the time is shown as 1:46.4. Correct it for a 0.3 error (if accepted as that), then you clearly have 1:46.1.
How do you get 1:47? It makes no sense at all. Actually, if we had official splits then 1:45.9 wouldn't surprise me. You appear to be WRONG.
Btw, for the smart people who know french: What somebody shouts as a split is handtimed (1) and doesn't have to be an exact 800m split anyway (2).
the coach looks to have clocked too early
the 200m line is just ahead of a black box & significantly behind some sprint blocks, both obviously on infield
maloofi can be seen just at 1'46.70 on the clock well behind the sprint blocks
he is at ~ 600m point with 1'46.70 on the clock
the clock is ~ 0.3s too fast as at finish, his torso crosses line with 2'12.70 on it & correct was 2'13.08
therefore his 800 split was 1.46.70 + 0.30 =
1'47.0
some analysis on how to ideally run a 1k
it is just a blown-up 800, which is ideally run off 2s +ve splits & therefore 0.5s slowing 200s
from observation, the 1k shoud be very similar except that the 200 splits shoud have less slowing, 1/3s or 0.33*s
for a 1200 race, you shoud maybe be down to 0.20s & by 1500, it shoud be run even-pace
therefore :
ideal splits, shoud be, calling 200m initial one, x :
200 = x
200 - 400 = x + 0.33
400 - 600 = x + 0.66
600 - 800 = x + 1
800 - 1000 = x + 1.33
further basic algebra : what the accumulated splits thruout predict for 1k :
200 = y1 , 1k time predicted is 5(y1) + 3.33
400 = y2 , 1k time predicted is 2.5(y2) + 2.5
600 = y3 , 1k time predicted is 1.66(y3) + 1.66
800 = y4 , 1k time predicted is 1.25(y4) + 0.83
further basic algebra, from above, any individual 200 split can be used to predict the 1k time based on it :
200 = z1, 1k time predicted is : 5(z1) + 3.33
200 - 400 = z2, 1k time predicted is : 5(z2 - 0.33) + 3.33
400 - 600 = z3, 1k time predicted is : 5(z3 - 0.66) + 3.33
600 - 800 = z4, 1k time predicted is : 5(z4 - 1) + 3.33
800 - 1000 = z5, 1k time predicted is : 5(z5 - 1.33) + 3.33
ideal splits for a 2'13.0 are :
25.9
26.3 ( 52.2 )
26.6 ( 1'18.8 )
26.9 ( 1'45.7 )
27.3 ( 2'13.0 )
maloofi's splits were :
26.9 !!!
25.6 !!! ( 52.5 )
26.6 ( 1'19.1 )
27.9 !!! ( 1'47.0 )
26.0 !!! ( 2'13.0 )
his splits were completely wild !!!
1s too slow at 200, 0.7s too fast for next, spot on for 3rd 1s too slow for 4th & outrageous 1.3s faster for last !!!
from above, the predicted 1k time for accumulated splits :
26.9 ->2'17.8 !!!
52.5 ->2'13.7
1'19.1 ->2'13.5 !!!
1'47.0 ->2'14.6 !!!
what this shows is that his start was pathetic & the 200 split only on for 2'17+
he rescued it down to 2'13-mid by 400 by exorbitant push
he more or less maintained 2'13-mid pace to 600
the 600 - 800 split was very poor & at 800 he was only on for 2'14-high but put in a murderous last 200 to rescue a 2'13-flat
even more illuminating are what each of his individual 200 splits predicts for a 1k
26.9 ->2'17.8 !!
25.6 ->2'09.7 !!!
26.6 ->2'13.0
27.9 ->2'17.8 !!
26.0 ->2'06.7 !!!!
this just shows how wild his individual splits were !!!
his start was on for pathetic 2'17-high
his next one was fantastic, consistent with what one woud expect in a 2'09+ !!!
his 3rd split was only decent one of race - right on 2'13-flat schedule
his 4th split was pathetic, again consistent with a 2'17-high
the last 200 was utterly incredible !!!
this is a split you woud expect in a 2'06-high !!!
in conclusion :
maloofi was given wild pace, far too slow at start, quickened up too soon, slowed too much & put in incredible finish
run that race again, ideally with proper pacers, he shouda been looking at worst 2'12-flat & more likely
~ 2'11-mid
Bad Wigins wrote:
Makhloufi's 1000 is worth
133.08 x (1500/1000)^1.135 = 210.85
3:30.8
133.08 x (800/1000)^1.135 = 103.3
1:43.3
Exactly as fast as he's already been for several years now. All this 3:27 talk is bullshit.
Told ya. Easily run down by two Kenyans and Souleiman in 3:30+. Where's JAKIR now?
I usually don't come on to this mindless website that incites hate and negativity. But a friend said I would have a good laugh on this tread.
I read a post on here years ago about "how much pasta do i need to eat to run a PB".
Ok, so if you click into Taoufiks wiki page, you will see I'm his therapist and S&C coach.
Like nearly everyone on here, i used to think i wasn't honest. UNTIL i met him. I live with him. We haven't been apart for more then 3 days (In May) since January. I think my experience will be more valuable then anyones preconceived ideas.
If you have any questions then i will gladly answer them on my email address (evan.scully@gmail.com), as i don't intend to come back on this manic site which is run by keyboard warriors who would even run to the toilet, never mind run a decent time in a race.
Evan.
Yeah yeah yeah Evan, but what can you confirm about Mak-daddy's splits??!!
Evan Scully wrote:
Ok, so if you click into Taoufiks wiki page, you will see I'm his therapist and S&C coach.
Like nearly everyone on here, i used to think i wasn't honest. UNTIL i met him. I live with him. We haven't been apart for more then 3 days (In May) since January. I think my experience will be more valuable then anyones preconceived ideas.
If you have any questions then i will gladly answer them on my email address (evan.scully@gmail.com), as i don't intend to come back on this manic site which is run by keyboard warriors who would even run to the toilet, never mind run a decent time in a race.
Evan.
Evan, what was your role with NOP and when were you with them?
Evan, if he is running now at 5'9"-172 lb, what do you think Makhloufi would run at 162? Compare to some other runners: Jager is 6'2" 146/Kiprop is listed at 6'3" 137, El G was listed at 5'9" 128 lbs.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:Makhloufi's 1000 is worth
133.08 x (1500/1000)^1.135 = 210.85
3:30.8
133.08 x (800/1000)^1.135 = 103.3
1:43.3
Exactly as fast as he's already been for several years now. All this 3:27 talk is bullshit.
Told ya. Easily run down by two Kenyans and Souleiman in 3:30+. Where's JAKIR now?
I AM HERE!!!! EVEN MOST PERFECT ATHLETE MAKE TACTICAL ERRORS!!! HE NOW MAKE ONE TACTICAL ERROR EFFECT ALL RACE BUT HE IS STILL MORE FASTER THAN ALL OTHERS!!! I MAKE ONLY ACCURATE PREDICTIONS AND HE WILL WIN 1500M CHAMPIONSHIP IN BEIJING!!! KIPROP HAVE LEGS LIKE OLIVE BRANCH AND HEAD OF ALIEN AND IS NO COMPAIRSON FOR STRONG LION MAKHLOFI!!! WHEN KIPROP ACCELERATE HIS LEG ALMOST BREAK!!! HE IS SCARE!!! ALL ARE SCARE!!! ARE YOU SCARE???
Historian - I am not getting to the NOP on here in this forum.
jjjjjjj - He isn't actually 78kg. He is 69.5-70kg. (152-154lbs).
At the end of last season his body fat % was about 4.
His splits in the 1000. I have no idea, and the argument on here about it is hilarious. He ran 2.13.08. Thats it.
Thanks, Evan. That is the first informative post in the thread. 172 sounded outrageous.
Evan Scully wrote:
Historian - I am not getting to the NOP on here in this forum.
jjjjjjj - He isn't actually 78kg. He is 69.5-70kg. (152-154lbs).
At the end of last season his body fat % was about 4.
His splits in the 1000. I have no idea, and the argument on here about it is hilarious. He ran 2.13.08. Thats it.
NOP ARE CHEATS AND LIARS!!!! THEY ARE JEALIS OF PROUD AFRICAN LION!!! MAKHLOUFI IS MORE STRONGER THAN ALL MORE ATHELETS BECAUSE HE HAS MORE BETTER TRAINING!!! HE MAKE KIPROP AND SOULIEMAN CRY LIKE BABIES WHO NEED MILK FROM MOTHERS BOSOM!!! HE IS BEST 1500m RUNNER IN THE WORLD!!! HIS TRAININGS NOW ARE MORE BETTER THAN ALL OTHERS. THEY ARE SCARE!!!
jjjjjj wrote:
Thanks, Evan. That is the first informative post in the thread. 172 sounded outrageous.
Not the real Evan Scully, so not really informative