Russell MF Wilson

God the Glory wrote:

Pointing Out the Obvious wrote:

If God (and faith) made Wilson great at QB then God (and faith) also made Tebow suck at QB.

God certainly gave Tebow talent. College championships, playoff wins etc. Perhaps God had other plans for him though outside of football. Gods ways are mysterious. I do know that Russell Wilson & Earl Thomas are blessed & are giving God the glory.

The star quarterback thanks God for the talent God has given him.

“No one can stop what God has for you,” Wilson said.

You're probably not bright enough to recognize that what you are writing is essentially meaningless.

Some dude won a football game - "GOD made that happen"

Some dude lost a football game - "GOD made that happen"

Some dude died - "GOD made that happen"

Some dude tortured, raped and murdered - "GOD made that happen"

I enjoyed my Cheerios today - "GOD made that happen"

Yay for GOD. You go GOD!

There is no magic sky fairy that helps people win football games. There is no magic sky fairy that cures cancer, no matter how much you pray.

The Seahawks were VERY lucky to win that game. That muffed on side kick, the coin toss in OT or that fluke of a 2 point conversion all would have been game changers.

Pointing Out the Obvious wrote:

God the Glory wrote:

God certainly gave Tebow talent. College championships, playoff wins etc. Perhaps God had other plans for him though outside of football. Gods ways are mysterious. I do know that Russell Wilson & Earl Thomas are blessed & are giving God the glory.

The star quarterback thanks God for the talent God has given him.

“No one can stop what God has for you,” Wilson said.

You're probably not bright enough to recognize that what you are writing is essentially meaningless.

You may have a depraved mind & you may be a fool.

Romans 1

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity.

The Magic Sky Fairy wrote:

The Seahawks were VERY lucky to win that game. That muffed on side kick, the coin toss in OT or that fluke of a 2 point conversion all would have been game changers.

Exactly. Nobody can explain how the Seahawks won that game. Nobody. The most unlikely of circumstances happened. Just like David vs Goliath. That is why Earl Thomas & Russell Wilson wisely praised God for the win after the game. Praises to God were the first words out of their mouths. Not, my receivers played great, or Lynch opened up the passing game, but they have wisdom & awareness & gave the credit where it belonged. They are not ignorant.

God the Glory wrote:

Pointing Out the Obvious wrote:

You're probably not bright enough to recognize that what you are writing is essentially meaningless.

You may have a depraved mind & you may be a fool.

Romans 1

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity.

Ah yes, once again retreating to that last refuge for those who have abandoned God's greatest gift (the human mine) - - bible quotes.

Well done, my small brained friend. Well done, indeed!

Tinfoil Hat wrote:

In 2011, Seattle had a top-10 defense and Marshawn Lynch ran for 1200 yards. That team went 7-9 with Tarvaris Jackson as quarterback. Jackson is a career .500 quarterback -- about as average as you can get.

In 2012, with the team starters mostly unchanged but the addition of Wilson and Jackson to the bench, the team goes 11-5, wins a playoff game for a total of 12 wins -- a 5 win improvement.

Wilson benefits from a strong defense and a good running game. But those who suggest anyone could win with that team.....history shows that this isn't correct.

In 2012: Golden Tate and Sydney Rice entered the lineup full time

The offensive line was stabilized

Arguably their best defensive player Bobby Wagner joined the team

Richard Sherman started 6 extra games

I am not saying Wilson didn't make the team better. Literally almost any human being with four limbs is better than Jackson. That doesn't change the argument that 15 quarterbacks could have won the superbowl with the way Seattle's defense played last year. Especially the way they played in the post season.

Rodgers and Wilson both took a tumble in the rankings after last night's performances, but they are still both currently in the top 5 of all-time for career postseason passer ratings (minimum 150 pass attempts). Wilson doesn't yet have the requisite minimum regular season attempts (1252 vs 1500), but if he did he would be ranked 2nd of all time.

While these shouldn't be the only stats considered, he hardly strikes me as a quarterback who only wins game because of his supporting cast.

seasoned ranker wrote:

Rodgers and Wilson both took a tumble in the rankings after last night's performances, but they are still both currently in the top 5 of all-time for career postseason passer ratings (minimum 150 pass attempts). Wilson doesn't yet have the requisite minimum regular season attempts (1252 vs 1500), but if he did he would be ranked 2nd of all time.

While these shouldn't be the only stats considered, he hardly strikes me as a quarterback who only wins game because of his supporting cast.

I think the sample size for him is so low that we can't look at post season qb rating, etc. In his three regular seasons he is only completing 63% of his passes, has a high sack percentage, and a rating of 98(95 this season, the lowest of his career). Throw in 24 TD's and about 9 picks per year and These aren't bad, but they are middle of the pack.

Dial it up wrote:

I think the sample size for him is so low that we can't look at post season qb rating, etc. In his three regular seasons he is only completing 63% of his passes, has a high sack percentage, and a rating of 98(95 this season, the lowest of his career). Throw in 24 TD's and about 9 picks per year and These aren't bad, but they are middle of the pack.

That's because you don't understand football. No crime in that, I suppose.

Ahem wrote:

Dial it up wrote:

I think the sample size for him is so low that we can't look at post season qb rating, etc. In his three regular seasons he is only completing 63% of his passes, has a high sack percentage, and a rating of 98(95 this season, the lowest of his career). Throw in 24 TD's and about 9 picks per year and These aren't bad, but they are middle of the pack.

That's because you don't understand football. No crime in that, I suppose.

Thank you for your thought provoking input.

Honestly, if you can't come up with anything of value, there is no shame in not saying anything.

Dial it up wrote:

Ahem wrote:

That's because you don't understand football. No crime in that, I suppose.

Thank you for your thought provoking input.

Honestly, if you can't come up with anything of value, there is no shame in not saying anything.

Why then have you ever said anything on these boards.

1) Decent point, but 7 games isn't exactly a small sample for playoff games. More than Romo, Ryan, Kaepernick, and about 75% of active starting QBs. 7 games against top competition is hard to fake.

2) You brought up completion percentage, interception percentage and sack percentage, but they would all factor into his career passer rating, which is absolutely NOT middle of the pack. It is exceptional. That stat, however, does not include rushing yards, which is another category where Russell is amongst the best in the league.

I'm not saying his ratings will be as high at the end of his career as they are now, but based on his first 3 seasons you cannot call him a middle of the pack quarterback and retain any credibility.

seasoned ranker wrote:

Dial it up wrote:

his usual nonsense

1) Decent point, but 7 games isn't exactly a small sample for playoff games. More than Romo, Ryan, Kaepernick, and about 75% of active starting QBs. 7 games against top competition is hard to fake.

2) You brought up completion percentage, interception percentage and sack percentage, but they would all factor into his career passer rating, which is absolutely NOT middle of the pack. It is exceptional. That stat, however, does not include rushing yards, which is another category where Russell is amongst the best in the league.

I'm not saying his ratings will be as high at the end of his career as they are now, but based on his first 3 seasons you cannot call him a middle of the pack quarterback and retain any credibility.

At this point, there isn't anything that 'Dial it up' could post that would help him gain any credibility whatsoever.

Learn to spell should and then come back.

Good point on his running ability, however I think his tendency to do that leads to his higher sack percentage.

His QB rating this season ranked 12th in the NFL. Of all of the 25 or so QB's that started consistently all year, he is middle of the pack. Romo at 82.7 and Rodgers at 82.6 were in a league of their own, with Wilson at 62.4 for reference.

If you are trying to avoid small sample sizes, why would you elect to speak to this season's rating instead of the more inclusive career ratings?

Puh-lease, brah wrote:

Fix is in

The NFL is fixed. That game and many others are fixed.

Because he was 12th the year before as well with a 58

Ahhh, you are looking at ESPN's QBR instead, which conveniently doesn't have a career comparison or well documented formula, instead of the passer rating where Wilson currently has the 2nd highest career figure of any qb.

I don't doubt that there is value in the QBR, I also don't doubt that there is value in the passer rating, where he is exceptional.